Training hold

[32andBelow]

I’m sure he’s the type that berates his D side for offering a different opinion. One of the my way isn’t just the best, it’s the only way types

He’s prolly gonna say he never ever needs a d side

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

I agree but I also think that if your trainer tells you to do something then you do it.

It is comical to read trainees who think they just get to do whatever they want and they can talk about it later. That’s not how this works. That’s not how any of this works.

If my trainer tells me to do something I would obviously do it. If I see a situation and I have the tools to resolve it safely then I’m not going to sit on my hands and wait for instruction. If you don’t realize there are a million ways to skin a cat then maybe you’re not a very good controller and shouldn’t be a trainer.

 

[Billybob]

After further review I have suspended my natca presidential campaign due to lack of alcohol.

 

[Phillytroll69]

Trainee life is hard. If you’re motivated and confident you’re “arrogant”, if you’re humble and quiet “you don’t care”. If you do things by the book that’s contrary to a CPC technique “that’s not the way we’ve always done things here”. If you copy a CPC, “they don’t know the book or how to do the job”

You almost sound like 80% of people could do the job if training was adapted to them. But why would some idiot buy a house with a 50% chance of failure, I'll show him

Exactly this. I know it's not easy to get trainees in the building due to social distancing and what not, but they could have tried pitching SOMETHING to management. Instead, every time we asked they just shrugged their shoulders and said, "I dunno." How about rotating trainees through once people on their D's and R's are certified? The union told me to shut up and be grateful I have a job. "Look at Canada."

Be grateful you'll still get dues out of me until I certify.

Well the only thing that could be done is pick a date, years out, and have a bunch of trainees sign it between then and now, saying that if the union doesn't take getting back pay, raises, and missed retirement contributions, that unfortunately I'll be needing to save my dues to contribute to my investment accounts.

 

[Phillytroll69]

He’s prolly gonna say he never ever needs a d side

Is that a z position?

 

[Billybob]

Is that a z position?

Yeah it’s radar associate, basically useless unless shit hits the fan

 

[spider]

If my trainer tells me to do something I would obviously do it. If I see a situation and I have the tools to resolve it safely then I’m not going to sit on my hands and wait for instruction. If you don’t realize there are a million ways to skin a cat then maybe you’re not a very good controller and shouldn’t be a trainer.

Yeah, “sit on your hands and wait for instruction” is exactly what I said...

 

[sumtingwon]

In any line of work there are going to be good and bad teachers/trainers as well as good and bad trainees. I have dealt with some pretty harsh trainers, and was trained in a very toxic environment. I am a veteran, so probably a lot of the things I dealt with in the military would probably get people fired or seriously reprimanded in the civilian arena. Due to my experiences there were good and bad things. The good thing was I was forced to know my stuff, more-so than the other trainees (my assigned trainer was going through a nasty divorce and she took it out on me) . Bad thing was it was hell going to work day in and day out. Luckily eventually I was paired with an amazing trainer and eventually I did get all my ratings.

As a trainee, I learned that when in position you listen and do what the trainer tells you to do as it is their pink card on the line. Talking back or deviating at all from our trainers was prohibited, and you would get punished. Disagreements would be handled after position training outside the IFR/control room. Some trainers like any other career field were better than others. The better ones allowed you to have a longer leash than other trainers who weren't as "seasoned." It also goes both ways some trainees are more independent than others.

I personally am different. I try not to take what has happened to me, and take it out on the next person. I have purposefully requested and taken on the trainees that struggled the most. And I was able to get every single trainee of mine rated. Something I am proud of. In my experience I have seen and experienced a lot of terrible trainers. But the good ones I am thankful for.

In the end, I have learned that it is wise to be a good trainer and strengthen your team. Because if and when shit ever hits the fan, you are going to hope the people around you are competent especially if you are the watch sup. Having a cohesive work environment has been proven to have a positive impact.

When I was a trainee I have always found that being respectful and putting in the time and effort usually nets a good outcome. If you do not know the answer to a question you simply say you do not know, but you will look it up. Also you would be surprised how effective communicating is. Ask your trainers what their expectations are or if they have certain preferences. As a trainee you are expected to remember. And for good reason. Someone mentioned knowing multiple ways to skin a cat. Knowing multiple outs is like having more tools to work with to get the job done. Makes you a better trainee and eventually a better controller.

 

[BravesCountry16]

Well the only thing that could be done is pick a date, years out, and have a bunch of trainees sign it between then and now, saying that if the union doesn't take getting back pay, raises, and missed retirement contributions, that unfortunately I'll be needing to save my dues to contribute to my investment accounts.

Keep on grinding that second job brother!

DOGE ???

- In solidarity

 

[MasterChief]

$GME ????

 

[Phillytroll69]

Keep on grinding that second job brother!

DOGE ???

- In solidarity

Bro no second job here or doge just 5 days vacay for a few more weeks dumb harvard map

 

[32andBelow]

Yeah it’s radar associate, basically useless unless shit hits the fan

Depends on home many airports on the ground you have. It can be very helpful if the liens are going non stop

 

[AB19]

Depends on home many airports on the ground you have. It can be very helpful if the liens are going non stop

Is this some center jargon I’m too stupid to understand

 

[omgwtfbbq69lol]

It sucks hearing about how the culture is at some places, I hope when you all get certified you can help change it. I've had a good experience so far at my facility, but it took effort from the younger CPCs to change the mentality when they became trainers. No need to make someone else's training suck because it wasn't great for you.

 

[CF]

It sucks hearing about how the culture is at some places, I hope when you all get certified you can help change it. I've had a good experience so far at my facility, but it took effort from the younger CPCs to change the mentality when they became trainers. No need to make someone else's training suck because it wasn't great for you.

My training was terrible and I use it as motivation to make sure my trainees don’t have that experience.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Is this some center jargon I’m too stupid to understand

No

 

[32andBelow]

Is this some center jargon I’m too stupid to understand

Some center areas don’t have a lot of underlying tracons so they have to be on the phone with the VFR towers giving releases and stuff. Hence d side. Sometime that mfer landline never stop.

 

[COWTOWN]

Some center areas don’t have a lot of underlying tracons so they have to be on the phone with the VFR towers giving releases and stuff. Hence d side. Sometime that mfer landline never stop.

A lot of tracons do that too with 5+ towers and 10+ tracon and center sectors without an assist. I've got to see what this d side thing is all about one of these days.

 

[32andBelow]

A lot of tracons do that too with 5+ towers and 10+ tracon and center sectors without an assist. I've got to see what this d side thing is all about one of these days.

ok. It’s not always about workload. Sometimes it’s efficiency. We shouldn’t make a line ring for a minute or two while your sequencing, giving an approach clearance or coordinating something else. But d side usually isn’t staffed except when it’s needed.

 

[Dialoutmfer]

He’s prolly gonna say he never ever needs a d side

I would like to see an interesting situation coming up and ask my trainee how he/she would fix it. After that I would ask what plan b would be. After that I would say now fix it in some way other than either of those two solutions and watch the gears start to turn. Also I absolutely brought the d side into the conversation and asked his opinion. Air traffic is best learned by giving a wide range of techniques and absorbing different skills. Try not to get frustrated when you have to do different things for different trainers. In the long run you will be better for having the diversity of thought.