USPS vs FAA

[Tom]

I've been seeing a few articles on the USPS going bankrupt/not getting a bail out/etc. Was wondering about the similarities and differences-the theory is that it'll be bankrupt then privatized etc. Isnty the postal workers union very strong? Anyone following this closely?`

 

[Shikaka]

Not much for similarities.

It's one of Congress' duties to establish post offices as said in the Constitution, then the Postal Act of 1792 made the USPS a permanent part of the federal government. So they'd either fund it or have to repeal the Postal Act of 1792. After the repeal depends who has power to sway, the Democrats would probably want to reestablish it in a new way, and the Republicans would probably want to lease the system to a corporate entity (All Hail Overlord Prime)

 

[PushingTin]

The only reason the post office is perpetually broke is they refuse to raise postage rates commensurate w the times. They are set by a scam political group called the "Postal Regulatory Commission ". Also Trump has railed against giant corporations like Amazon dumping packages on USPS for final delivery for a bargain rate (while paying no taxes to boot, etc). While they get rich the USPS stays perpetually broke. I dont see any correlation between USPS and FAA. If you assume theyll go private then more like FAA to NAV Canada or USPS to UPS/FedEx. Not gonna happen on either front!

Every small backwoods town having the nicest old brick building in town as the post office is obsolete as hell. It's not necessary for the USPS to own so much property. USPS is super inefficient. Lol @ that you can ship 70 lbs of Diving weights in a flat rate box for $20. Stupid. Unless you're ok w a bottomless pit of bailouts every time USPS minions cry poor.

 

[Shikaka]

The only reason the post office is perpetually broke is they refuse to raise postage rates commensurate w the times. They are set by a scam political group called the "Postal Regulatory Commission ". Also Trump has railed against giant corporations like Amazon dumping packages on USPS for final delivery for a bargain rate (while paying no taxes to boot, etc). While they get rich the USPS stays perpetually broke. I dont see any correlation between USPS and FAA. If you assume theyll go private then more like FAA to NAV Canada or USPS to UPS/FedEx. Not gonna happen on either front!

Every small backwoods town having the nicest old brick building in town as the post office is obsolete as hell. It's not necessary for the USPS to own so much property. USPS is super inefficient. Lol @ that you can ship 70 lbs of Diving weights in a flat rate box for $20. Stupid. Unless you're ok w a bottomless pit of bailouts every time USPS minions cry poor.

Not to mention Amazon got those agreements with the USPS back when they were selling books.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

The only reason the post office is perpetually broke is they refuse to raise postage rates commensurate w the times. They are set by a scam political group called the "Postal Regulatory Commission ". Also Trump has railed against giant corporations like Amazon dumping packages on USPS for final delivery for a bargain rate (while paying no taxes to boot, etc). While they get rich the USPS stays perpetually broke. I dont see any correlation between USPS and FAA. If you assume theyll go private then more like FAA to NAV Canada or USPS to UPS/FedEx. Not gonna happen on either front!

Every small backwoods town having the nicest old brick building in town as the post office is obsolete as hell. It's not necessary for the USPS to own so much property. USPS is super inefficient. Lol @ that you can ship 70 lbs of Diving weights in a flat rate box for $20. Stupid. Unless you're ok w a bottomless pit of bailouts every time USPS minions cry poor.

This is true, the USPS is basically there to get taken advantage of by places like Amazon and FedEx, and it’s also more of a federal service for the citizens more then a entity that expects to break even with the way regular (not overnight) postage is so cheap.

But it’s ok, because it’s written in law to be part of the country/government and as the stimulus bills showed you can always print more money to bail whoever out and it doesn’t matter if you never balance a budget again.

Also to a lesser extent there is a small but important federal law enforcement branch inside the USPS that handles rare but high profile things like mailed bombs and when people send anthrax and stuff like that through the mail. I suppose that could be farmed out to the FBI but they have been handling stuff like that since the 1800’s and take a lot of pride in it.

 

[PushingTin]

Not to mention Amazon got those agreements with the USPS back when they were selling books.

It's one Trump thing I think there is pretty bipartisan agreement on. I bet Jeff Bezos laughs every night while swimming in his money vaults like Scrooge McDuck, before eating his insects and lizards.

But it’s ok, because it’s written in law to be part of the country/government and as the stimulus bills showed you can always print more money to bail whoever out and it doesn’t matter if you never balance a budget again.

 

[spider]

The postal service is seeing a drop in revenue because of a reduction in bulk mail. UPS, Amazon and FedEx can’t carry enough and the USPS is having trouble because there isn’t anymore junk mail.

They said a privatized ATC would be a government corporation...the two existing examples being the USPS and Amtrak. Oh and let’s not forget all that freedom that would come with privatization. Remember when the USPS said they wanted to stop Saturday delivery? How’d that work out for them? Oh, you don’t want to deliver on Saturdays? Well now you’ll deliver on Sundays too.

 

[DankVectorz]

The only reason the post office is perpetually broke is they refuse to raise postage rates commensurate w the times.

this is patently false. The USPS struggling financially is a fairly recent trend, and it started under George W. Bush when the Republicans passed measures that force the USPS to fully fund retirement benefits 70 years in advance. No other government agency, or private company, is required to or does this. This sent the USPS spiraling into the red when before that they had always been a profitable agency. Included in that 2006 law was a cap for how much the USPS could raise prices, so they deliberately handicapped the Post Offices ability to recoup the losses from having to fund 70 years of pension benefits in advance. The pre-funding pensions alone accounts for 92% of the USPS’ expenditures.

The problems USPS has had have been deliberately constructed by the one Party that feels government is inherently bad. The try to tout the Post Office as an example of how government is broken and can’t work. They ignore the part that it was they who broke it.

And as for the Amazon deal, packages and shipping is one of the few bright spots on the PS financial report, growing 9% just last year.

The Post Office is solely funded by payment for services, no taxpayer money. You can’t expect an organization to operate in the black when you put into law ridiculous financial obligations and then limit their ability to earn income or reduce services in order to be able to fund those legally obligated expenses.

I swear all PushingTin does is watch Fox & Friends every morning and then come on here to regurgitate whatever sound bite seems most convenient. The thought of actually looking into things and questioning anything other than NATCA is not something that has ever occurred to him. He won’t see this though because he blocked me because he can’t handle dissenting opinions.

 

[CaptainObvious]

this is patently false. The USPS struggling financially is a fairly recent trend, and it started under George W. Bush when the Republicans passed measures that force the USPS to fully fund retirement benefits 70 years in advance. No other government agency, or private company, is required to or does this. This sent the USPS spiraling into the red when before that they had always been a profitable agency. Included in that 2006 law was a cap for how much the USPS could raise prices, so they deliberately handicapped the Post Offices ability to recoup the losses from having to fund 70 years of pension benefits in advance. The pre-funding pensions alone accounts for 92% of the USPS’ expenditures.

The problems USPS has had have been deliberately constructed by the one Party that feels government is inherently bad. The try to tout the Post Office as an example of how government is broken and can’t work. They ignore the part that it was they who broke it.

And as for the Amazon deal, packages and shipping is one of the few bright spots on the PS financial report, growing 9% just last year.

The Post Office is solely funded by payment for services, no taxpayer money. You can’t expect an organization to operate in the black when you put into law ridiculous financial obligations and then limit their ability to earn income or reduce services in order to be able to fund those legally obligated expenses.

I swear all PushingTin does is watch Fox & Friends every morning and then come on here to regurgitate whatever sound bite seems most convenient. The thought of actually looking into things and questioning anything other than NATCA is not something that has ever occurred to him. He won’t see this though because he blocked me because he can’t handle dissenting opinions.

Ouch. Facts, keep that heresy away from here. Fox and Friendzone don’t need no fancy facts, only partisan rhetoric and conspiracy theories.

 

[Tom]

Thanks for the information/opinions did some reading today need to talk to a few postal friends you should probably just delete this thread before it boils over

 

[Maintainvfr]

Thanks for the information/opinions did some reading today need to talk to a few postal friends you should probably just delete this thread before it boils over

The whole site is in a perpetual simmer don't even worry about it

 

[F5awp]

this is patently false. The USPS struggling financially is a fairly recent trend, and it started under George W. Bush when the Republicans passed measures that force the USPS to fully fund retirement benefits 70 years in advance. No other government agency, or private company, is required to or does this. This sent the USPS spiraling into the red when before that they had always been a profitable agency. Included in that 2006 law was a cap for how much the USPS could raise prices, so they deliberately handicapped the Post Offices ability to recoup the losses from having to fund 70 years of pension benefits in advance. The pre-funding pensions alone accounts for 92% of the USPS’ expenditures.

The problems USPS has had have been deliberately constructed by the one Party that feels government is inherently bad. The try to tout the Post Office as an example of how government is broken and can’t work. They ignore the part that it was they who broke it.

And as for the Amazon deal, packages and shipping is one of the few bright spots on the PS financial report, growing 9% just last year.

The Post Office is solely funded by payment for services, no taxpayer money. You can’t expect an organization to operate in the black when you put into law ridiculous financial obligations and then limit their ability to earn income or reduce services in order to be able to fund those legally obligated expenses.

I swear all PushingTin does is watch Fox & Friends every morning and then come on here to regurgitate whatever sound bite seems most convenient. The thought of actually looking into things and questioning anything other than NATCA is not something that has ever occurred to him. He won’t see this though because he blocked me because he can’t handle dissenting opinions.

As a former USPS employee, I concur 100%.

 

[Atl24Atc]

this is patently false. The USPS struggling financially is a fairly recent trend, and it started under George W. Bush when the Republicans passed measures that force the USPS to fully fund retirement benefits 70 years in advance. No other government agency, or private company, is required to or does this. This sent the USPS spiraling into the red when before that they had always been a profitable agency. Included in that 2006 law was a cap for how much the USPS could raise prices, so they deliberately handicapped the Post Offices ability to recoup the losses from having to fund 70 years of pension benefits in advance. The pre-funding pensions alone accounts for 92% of the USPS’ expenditures.

The problems USPS has had have been deliberately constructed by the one Party that feels government is inherently bad. The try to tout the Post Office as an example of how government is broken and can’t work. They ignore the part that it was they who broke it.

And as for the Amazon deal, packages and shipping is one of the few bright spots on the PS financial report, growing 9% just last year.

The Post Office is solely funded by payment for services, no taxpayer money. You can’t expect an organization to operate in the black when you put into law ridiculous financial obligations and then limit their ability to earn income or reduce services in order to be able to fund those legally obligated expenses.

I swear all PushingTin does is watch Fox & Friends every morning and then come on here to regurgitate whatever sound bite seems most convenient. The thought of actually looking into things and questioning anything other than NATCA is not something that has ever occurred to him. He won’t see this though because he blocked me because he can’t handle dissenting opinions.

As a former mail carrier as well, 100 percent accurate. If anything companies are taking pensions away or reducing them because they are unable to fund them. Yet the federal government tells the post office you have to fund the pension today, for an employee who isn’t even born yet. What did they think was going to happen to the USPS bottom line at that point?

 

[Mike Kilo]

As a former mail carrier as well, 100 percent accurate. If anything companies are taking pensions away or reducing them because they are unable to fund them. Yet the federal government tells the post office you have to fund the pension today, for an employee who isn’t even born yet. What did they think was going to happen to the USPS bottom line at that point?

All while they try and take our pension away lol.

I will say it is very annoying when I mail a package and the post office says it’s $15.10 for 6 day ground, or $15.25 for 3 day priority with $50 insurance. Really. A 15 cent difference.

 

[PushingTin]

Lol I wouldnt go to a casino if I wanted a lesson on financial planning, and being a former postal employee is 0 qualification to diagnose USPS insolvency. I've often asked front desk postal employees about the USPS political news of the day while mailing my packages, and literally never once had anyone express a deep knowledge of the issue or do anything other than literally laugh out loud or smirk at the idea of problems , layoffs, building closures, etc. "Oh we arent worried about that, we'll be fine that will never affect us". They must have some strong union kool-aid. Better health insurance too.

If you think mailing a letter from Miami to Anchorage for 55 cents is a way to not go broke, I have a bridge to sell you. Or a postcard for 35 cents from Key West to Honolulu lolz. Or 70 lbs of diving weights for $15-20. Christmas wish letters all the way to the North Pole!!!? Lol or the concept of "forever" stamps. Or helping make Jeff Bezos the richest human in the history of the world.for pennies on the dollar! The pension fund is an odd quirk in law, but not close the sole reason for USPS financial woes.

 

[DankVectorz]

Lol I wouldnt go to a casino if I wanted a lesson on financial planning, and being a former postal employee is 0 qualification to diagnose USPS insolvency. I've often asked front desk postal employees about the USPS political news of the day while mailing my packages, and literally never once had anyone express a deep knowledge of the issue or do anything other than literally laugh out loud or smirk at the idea of problems , layoffs, building closures, etc. "Oh we arent worried about that, we'll be fine that will never affect us". They must have some strong union kool-aid. Better health insurance too.

If you think mailing a letter from Miami to Anchorage for 55 cents is a way to not go broke, I have a bridge to sell you. Or a postcard for 35 cents from Key West to Honolulu lolz. Or 70 lbs of diving weights for $15-20. Christmas wish letters all the way to the North Pole!!!? Lol or the concept of "forever" stamps. Or helping make Jeff Bezos the richest human in the history of the world.for pennies on the dollar! The pension fund is an odd quirk in law, but not close the sole reason for USPS financial woes.


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literally addressed everything he blamed it on here in my previous post. Why anyone on this website still listens to this clown is beyond me. Maybe someone who he doesn’t have blocked would like to mention to him that in 2006 Republicans capped the amount the USPS could raise prices for services?

 

[Mike Kilo]

literally addressed everything he blamed it on here in my previous post. Why anyone on this website still listens to this clown is beyond me. Maybe someone who he doesn’t have blocked would like to mention to him that in 2006 Republicans capped the amount the USPS could raise prices for services?

I scroll right past when I see the name lol.

 

[Papa_Mike]

Wait...do you actually think those letters are going to the North Pole?

 

[ONE]

This is true, the USPS is basically there to get taken advantage of by places like Amazon and FedEx, and it’s also more of a federal service for the citizens more then a entity that expects to break even with the way regular (not overnight) postage is so cheap.

But it’s ok, because it’s written in law to be part of the country/government and as the stimulus bills showed you can always print more money to bail whoever out and it doesn’t matter if you never balance a budget again.

Also to a lesser extent there is a small but important federal law enforcement branch inside the USPS that handles rare but high profile things like mailed bombs and when people send anthrax and stuff like that through the mail. I suppose that could be farmed out to the FBI but they have been handling stuff like that since the 1800’s and take a lot of pride in it.

How does it feel trying to do mental backflips to:

blame the Fed
blame Amazon
blame FedEx
admit there are benefits to the postal service but still want to not bail them out
admit that the postal service should be a federal service not expected be profitable, then NOT want to bail them out
think that a postal service can be monitored 100% by the FBI once it shuts down

go Irish!

 

[Maintainvfr]

Lol I wouldnt go to a casino if I wanted a lesson on financial planning, and being a former postal employee is 0 qualification to diagnose USPS insolvency.

I generally try to avoid mud wrestling with pigs but I just wanna point out this is a shit comparison. If you wanted to know how a casino runs, asking someone that worked there isn't a bad start.