2023 ARTCC Traffic Counts

[DankVectorz]

I mean, a 7 up down with 20 cpcs that does 245k ops is 12,250... So clearly simple math either doesn't equate to skill level/complexity or we should all be making 11+ pay.

I said it before I’ll say it again. Facility traffic count divided by total CPC’s is a terrible and useless metric (at least for facilities with multiple areas). Broken down for traffic and CPC’s by area can give a better picture, but even that’s not very accurate. Far too many variables to get an actual idea of what any facility is doing from traffic per cpc average. A facility might have 8 areas but only 3 of them are actually busy and make up 75% of the traffic on their own. Or one facility might have 3x the airspace to work the same amount of traffic as another, guess which one is probably harder? Does a Tracon where 90% of the arrivals are on a STAR to the localizer work as hard as one with the same traffic where everyone is on vectors as soon as the hit the boundary? Etc etc.

I’d like to see how the standalone TRACONs match up once the yearly numbers are finalized as ATADS only shows them to November 2023.

Based on only 11 months though (and they’ll go up higher) and using December PPT CPCs on Board minus Temps…
A80: 1,020,424 with 66 CPCs (15,461 each)
C90: 1,019,800 with 70 CPCs (14,569 each)
D10: 1,220,424 with 69 CPCs (17,687 each)
N90: 1,763,308 with 132 CPCs (13,358 each)
NCT: 1,390,944 with 125 CPCs (11,128 each)
PCT: 1,281,150 with 143 CPCs (8,959 each)
SCT: 1,965,449 with 171 CPCs (11,494 each)

N90 iS A sCaM

 

[EightTwoSierra]

I know you guys are talking ARTCC and Approach facilities but I just did the math on last years numbers for some of the towers in the SoCal area where I work. Sorry if any are slightly off but this is off reliable count numbers.

SAN- 10,870 per CPC
LAX - 12,067 per CPC
MYF- 17,443 per CPC
VNY- 17,602 per CPC
CNO - 25,590 per CPC <——- Where I work lol..

 

[Move78]

Right! And they get counted for each sector too? So multiple counts for the same plane.

No

 

[Dontbotherme]

I said it before I’ll say it again. Facility traffic count divided by total CPC’s is a terrible and useless metric (at least for facilities with multiple areas). Broken down for traffic and CPC’s by area can give a better picture, but even that’s not very accurate. Far too many variables to get an actual idea of what any facility is doing from traffic per cpc average. A facility might have 8 areas but only 3 of them are actually busy and make up 75% of the traffic on their own. Or one facility might have 3x the airspace to work the same amount of traffic as another, guess which one is probably harder? Does a Tracon where 90% of the arrivals are on a STAR to the localizer work as hard as one with the same traffic where everyone is on vectors as soon as the hit the boundary? Etc etc.



N90 iS A sCaM

You guys making DV a TMU Specialist is a scam. Potomac is the terminal scam facility not N90.

 

[DankVectorz]

You guys making DV a TMU Specialist is a scam.

Yeah idk how the hell they justified doing that

 

[BDUB]

I know you guys are talking ARTCC and Approach facilities but I just did the math on last years numbers for some of the towers in the SoCal area where I work. Sorry if any are slightly off but this is off reliable count numbers.

SAN- 10,870 per CPC
LAX - 12,067 per CPC
MYF- 17,443 per CPC
VNY- 17,602 per CPC
CNO - 25,590 per CPC <——- Where I work lol..

Yeah but towers don’t matter only the big bad center and traccon controllers do. Enjoy your lvl 7 pay working 2x more airplanes and being told it’s easier 😂

 

[EightTwoSierra]

Yeah but towers don’t matter only the big bad center and traccon controllers do. Enjoy your lvl 7 pay working 2x more airplanes and being told it’s easier 😂

I hear it daily from SCT 😂

 

[avgeek11]

Yeah idk how the hell they justified doing that

DankVectorz, more like STANK vectors. Btw thanks for calling in today. Solid day to play “sick”

 

[CaptainObvious]

Some simple math and each controller at some of those facilities are doing 40 ops per day….they are making good money for that and have all the fancy equipment.

You’re a grade A dipshit if you think we only work 40 ops a day.

Yeah but towers don’t matter only the big bad center and traccon controllers do. Enjoy your lvl 7 pay working 2x more airplanes and being told it’s easier 😂

It is easier. I’ve worked both. A level 7 has waves of traffic. Center is much higher volume and more consistent, so when you get waves it’s much busier.

 

[32andBelow]

It is easier. I’ve worked both. A level 7 has waves of traffic. Center is much higher volume and more consistent, so when you get waves it’s much busier.

We only work 40 planes per day bro

 

[boots]

You’re a grade A dipshit if you think we only work 40 ops a day.


It is easier. I’ve worked both. A level 7 has waves of traffic. Center is much higher volume and more consistent, so when you get waves it’s much busier.

It’s probably difficult working with actual technology and pilots instead of some dipshit pilot who shouldn’t be flying an aircraft

 

[CaptainObvious]

It’s probably difficult working with actual technology and pilots instead of some dipshit pilot who shouldn’t be flying an aircraft

You don’t think we get that too? Not all center areas are hi and bye enroute high traffic

 

[32andBelow]

It’s probably difficult working with actual technology and pilots instead of some dipshit pilot who shouldn’t be flying an aircraft

How do you think the dipshits get to you?

 

[EightTwoSierra]

You’re a grade A dipshit if you think we only work 40 ops a day.


It is easier. I’ve worked both. A level 7 has waves of traffic. Center is much higher volume and more consistent, so when you get waves it’s much busier.

I’ve worked both and I can say the height of traffic the 7 is busier for a single controller to be working. Just the facts. I agree center is more consistent. Where I’m at is very low staffing and high traffic though. We ran 25,000+ ops per controller last year, way higher than anything on the center/approach list above. So it’s probably not the same for another 7 half properly staffed.

 

[Mike Kilo]

How do you think the dipshits get to you?

I think you might underestimate the amount of pilots out there who never talk to the center at these up downs.

 

[32andBelow]

I think you might underestimate the amount of pilots out there who never talk to the center at these up downs.

I think they underestimate the amount that do. Depends on where you work tho. Out east you can barely fly low without being in a tracon.

 

[ncssailor]

You’re a grade A dipshit if you think we only work 40 ops a day.


It is easier. I’ve worked both. A level 7 has waves of traffic. Center is much higher volume and more consistent, so when you get waves it’s much busier.

I was only doing math and you can sure do it yourself and report back please.
Maybe your area is busy.

 

[32andBelow]

I was only doing math and you can sure do it yourself and report back please.
Maybe your area is busy.

The planes aren’t counted multiple times they are counted 1 time

 

[ncssailor]

The planes aren’t counted multiple times they are counted 1 time

Someone else said that above.
If you still do the math for average number of operations per controller the numbers per day don’t look good for what some are doing per day…for that high of pay. Plenty of Tower and Tracons are working way more ops per day and getting paid a whole lot less.
Some mentioned difficulty of ops…..giving an aircraft the altimeter and then a frequency change is so damn hard 🤣

 

[32andBelow]

Someone else said that above.
If you still do the math for average number of operations per controller the numbers per day don’t look good for what some are doing per day…for that high of pay. Plenty of Tower and Tracons are working way more ops per day and getting paid a whole lot less.
Some mentioned difficulty of ops…..giving an aircraft the altimeter and then a frequency change is so damn hard 🤣

What math? You can’t do the math. It’s impossible. The tool that would tell you doesn’t even exist. You dont give an altimeter in class A lol. It really depends where you are. You could be sequencing to several different airports at the same time. Or you could be working an ultra high and not doing much.