2025 Federal Pay Raise

[CoffeeIV]

What the fuck are you even talking about? No controller making $100K in 2019 is making anywhere near the $126K needed for inflation offset today unless they transferred facilities. And even in those rare cases, their money is not going as far as it was under the last administration. Do you even understand how inflation and math works?

So let me break this down for you. I now understand why some of you are poor. You're just financially inept. None of this includes locality increases so this hypothetical controller would actually make a few thousand more.

January 2019: $100,000
June 2019 Contractual 1.6% = $101,600

January 2020 presidential 2.6% = $104,241
June 2020 contractual 1.6% = $105,909

January 2021 presidential 1% = $106,968
June 2021 contractual 1.6% = $108,680

January 2022 presidential 2.2% = $111,071
June 2022 contractual 1.6% = $112,848

January 2023 presidential 4.1% = $117,474
June 2023 contractual 1.6% = $119,354

January 2024 presidential 4.7% = $124,964
June 2024 contractual 1.6% = $126,963

I think you're including the 1.6% raises in your math which would be inaccurate. It's closer to 115k

If you add all the January raises starting with 2020 the number is closer to 115k but he probably added the 1.6% raises too which shouldn't be added in

Why shouldnt they? You're negotiating in bad faith and ignoring controller pay checks.

 

[Gauff]

So let me break this down for you. I now understand why some of you are poor. You're just financially inept. None of this includes locality increases so this hypothetical controller would actually make a few thousand more.

January 2019: $100,000
June 2019 Contractual 1.6% = $101,600

January 2020 presidential 2.6% = $104,241
June 2020 contractual 1.6% = $105,909

January 2021 presidential 1% = $106,968
June 2021 contractual 1.6% = $108,680

January 2022 presidential 2.2% = $111,071
June 2022 contractual 1.6% = $112,848

January 2023 presidential 4.1% = $117,474
June 2023 contractual 1.6% = $119,354

January 2024 presidential 4.7% = $124,964
June 2024 contractual 1.6% = $126,963

You just shouldn't be adding the 1.6% raise. When talking about the career field keeping up with inflation adding an individuals longevity raise, that simply moves them up within a band, is only skewing your numbers to make it look like we have kept up with inflation when we in fact haven't

Why shouldnt they? You're negotiating in bad faith and ignoring controller pay checks.

No because my longevity raise isn't a raise to keep me on par with inflation. It's supposed to be an actual raise for me within this career field. The January raise is the raise that is meant to keep us on track with inflation

 

[CoffeeIV]

You just shouldn't be adding the 1.6% raise. When talking about the career field keeping up with inflation adding an individuals longevity raise, that simply moves them up within a band, is only skewing your numbers to make it look like we have kept up with inflation when we in fact haven't

We have kept up with inflation and you guys are straight up lying. You want to ignore half our raises to fit a narrative that isn't true.

 

[Gauff]

We have kept up with inflation and you guys are straight up lying. You want to ignore half our raises to fit a narrative that isn't true.

If I spend my whole career and max out my band due to the 1.6% raises and I have "kept up with inflation", where does that put the bottom of the band relative to inflation that new hires would be at?

Our career field is taking a bath and not keeping up with inflation by a long shot like that

 

[n0vemberh0tel]

What the fuck are you even talking about? No controller making $100K in 2019 is making anywhere near the $126K needed for inflation offset today unless they transferred facilities. And even in those rare cases, their money is not going as far as it was under the last administration. Do you even understand how inflation and math works?

Believe what he's saying is that if your total pay was 100k in 2019 then your pay increases would look as follows.

2019- December- $100,000
2020- January- $103,100 (3.1% average federal pay raise) June- $104,749.60 (NATCA 1.6%)
2021- January- $105,797.10 (1% federal pay raise) June- $107,489.85 (NATCA 1.6%)
2022- January- $110,392.08 (2.7% average federal pay raise) June- $112,158.35 (NATCA 1.6%)
2023- January $117,317.63 (4.6% average federal pay raise) June- $119,194.72 (NATCA 1.6%)
2024- January $125,392.84 (5.2% average federal pay raise) June- $127,399.13 (NATCA 1.6%)
2025- January $129,947.11 (2% average projected federal pay raise)

These numbers would vary a bit based on what your locality % is but they are fairly close to what your pay would be if you started at 100k in 2019.

Regardless, this 2% pay raise is dog shit and we are still grossly underpaid as controllers. Our union needs to step the fuck up and force a raise. Negotiations happen outside of contracts all the time.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

We have kept up with inflation and you guys are straight up lying. You want to ignore half our raises to fit a narrative that isn't true.

So even assuming your argument is correct, we’ve had a net gain of 0% increase in purchasing power in 5.5 years. Even in the best case scenario, how would you consider this a win? And no, it’s ridiculous to account the 1.6% contractual raise into these numbers. That raise is intended to be an actual raise, not an offset to inflation, and has nothing to do with the administration. You account for that, and we should be a minimum of 8% increase ABOVE inflation right now. That raise is inadequate as well, but that falls under NATCA’s failures.

 

[CoffeeIV]

So even assuming your argument is correct, we’ve had a net gain of 0% increase in purchasing power in 5.5 years. Even in the best case scenario, how would you consider this a win? And no, it’s ridiculous to account the 1.6% contractual raise into these numbers. That raise is intended to be an actual raise, not an offset to inflation, and has nothing to do with the administration. That raise is inadequate as well, but that falls under NATCA’s failures.

More wrong information and more lack of understanding. Bro go retake high school. Ignoring any further replies.

Regardless, this 2% pay raise is dog shit and we are still grossly underpaid as controllers. Our union needs to step the fuck up and force a raise. Negotiations happen outside of contracts all the time.

Also a lot of you ignore differentials. I make about 15 to 20% more than my base pay every year with minimal to no OT.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Believe what he's saying is that if your total pay was 100k in 2019 then your pay increases would look as follows.

2019- December- $100,000
2020- January- $103,100 (3.1% average federal pay raise) June- $104,749.60 (NATCA 1.6%)
2021- January- $105,797.10 (1% federal pay raise) June- $107,489.85 (NATCA 1.6%)
2022- January- $110,392.08 (2.7% average federal pay raise) June- $112,158.35 (NATCA 1.6%)
2023- January $117,317.63 (4.6% average federal pay raise) June- $119,194.72 (NATCA 1.6%)
2024- January $125,392.84 (5.2% average federal pay raise) June- $127,399.13 (NATCA 1.6%)
2025- January $129,947.11 (2% average projected federal pay raise)

These numbers would vary a bit based on what your locality % is but they are fairly close to what your pay would be if you started at 100k in 2019.

Regardless, this 2% pay raise is dog shit and we are still grossly underpaid as controllers. Our union needs to step the fuck up and force a raise. Negotiations happen outside of contracts all the time.

Talking about purchasing power. 100k would require 123k today for the same purchase power

 

[ClearanceClarence]

More wrong information and more lack of understanding. Bro go retake high school. Ignoring any further replies.

Typical Kamala voter. Twist and distort the facts of reality to make believe everything is great and ignoring valid arguments to the contrary.

 

[Gauff]

Also a lot of you ignore differentials. I make about 15 to 20% more than my base pay every year with minimal to no OT.

I'm glad you are happy with the same pay you make since you were a new hire, but some of us look at this job as a career and we shouldn't be making the same pay in 5, 10, or 20 years (when accounting for inflation)

 

[CoffeeIV]

I'm glad you are happy with the same pay you make since you were a new hire, but some of us look at this job as a career and we shouldn't be making the same pay in 5, 10, or 20 years (when accounting for inflation)

Except I don't. I've already proven we make more than what you lead on. You guys aren't ever getting a raise you think you deserve because you live in delusions.

 

[Gauff]

Except I don't. I've already proven we make more than what you lead on. You guys aren't ever getting a raise you think you deserve because you live in delusions.

What is with people advocating for the detriment of their own career field??? Only thing missing now is for Boots to to show up and say we actually need a pay cut and should be happy we have a job at all 🙄

 

[CoffeeIV]

What is with people advocating for the detriment of their own career field??? Only thing missing now is for Boots to to show up and say we actually need a pay cut and should be happy we have a job at all 🙄

I'm all for a pay raise. I just pointed out that what is being said isn't 100% true. You can't negotiate on what you think we get paid. You can't negotiate and ignore half the raises. The FAA isn't going to. That's not how the real world works.

Sorry all of you getting upset about the facts.

 

[blarg]

Except I don't. I've already proven we make more than what you lead on. You guys aren't ever getting a raise you think you deserve because you live in delusions.

Let it go. You're wrong. Mid-year raises are supposed to be actual raises, not inflation matchers. What's the bottom of the pay band then compared to the bottom of the pay band now? If they are matched to inflation, we're good. They are not.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

Let it go. You're wrong. Mid-year raises are supposed to be actual raises, not inflation matchers. What's the bottom of the pay band then compared to the bottom of the pay band now? If they are matched to inflation, we're good. They are not.

You can’t argue with some of these idiots. He’s probably a NATCA rep that wants to extend the contract again.

 

[Gauff]

Let it go. You're wrong. Mid-year raises are supposed to be actual raises, not inflation matchers. What's the bottom of the pay band then compared to the bottom of the pay band now? If they are matched to inflation, we're good. They are not.

Didn't realize this was such a hard concept to grasp

You can’t argue with some of these idiots. He’s probably a NATCA rep that wants to extend the contract again.

This is the same type of thinking that NATCA seems to go with and why we're looking at extending again. Same mindset Rich and Co use to talk about how much of a big raise the OJTI premium was when in reality it's pennies that most don't give af about. Honestly I'm shocked how Rich came out looking like the only decent candidate left to vote for

 

[blarg]

So including our 1.6 mid year raises we've treaded water, and gotten zero actual "I make more money than I used to compared to my expenses" raise for 5 years.
It's even worse for people at the federal pay cap who don't get 1.6% or even get locality either, and have been basically been taking pay cuts.

 

[PooseMaGoose]

We have kept up with inflation and you guys are straight up lying. You want to ignore half our raises to fit a narrative that isn't true.

The only person trying to fit a narrative is you by saying that federal pay has kept up with inflation to try and “slight-of-hand” the shitshow that has been the last four years.

In other words, are you saying you’re as good or better off now than you were in 2019? Everyone’s bullshit meter is pinging like crazy. Keep lying to yourself if it makes you feel better. Nobody else has to go along with it though.

 

[DankVectorz]

Typical Kamala voter. Twist and distort the facts of reality to make believe everything is great and ignoring valid arguments to the contrary.

Just use a sharpie to fix it

 

[Nothanks]

Who makes 129 ? I’d be mad too