2025 Federal Pay Raise

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I'm all for a pay raise. I just pointed out that what is being said isn't 100% true. You can't negotiate on what you think we get paid. You can't negotiate and ignore half the raises. The FAA isn't going to. That's not how the real world works.

Sorry all of you getting upset about the facts.

I think what most people are trying to explain to you is that the June raise is exclusive to the FAA.

When Biden, or those who make decisions for him, sat down to determine what the raise in January should be, they more than likely didn’t say “well we could give ALL federal employees a big raise, but those fuckers in the FAA have a 1.6% every June. Guess we’ll just need to make it 2%”

So by that logic, ANY federal employee that made $100k in 2019, is effectively behind financially relative to inflation. However, as an agency, our 1.6% in June has kept us on track with it.

BUT, the June longevity raise was never designed or negotiated to be a tool to offset inflation. It is meant to move the employee up in the pay band, rewarding them for their service to the FAA.

Differentials are also not taken into consideration when determining an employee’s salary. My SF-50 doesn’t have my salary listed with an asterisk saying *plus differentials*. The differentials are a tool to provide the appropriate incentives for working shit schedules, holidays, Sundays, or to partake in additional duties like training.

In a much simpler Kamala friendly version “sometimes when the number go up, it doesn’t always mean the number feels the same as it was in the past. So we are being burdened by what has been and what is to come”

 

[D-Dub]

I think what most people are trying to explain to you is that the June raise is exclusive to the FAA.

When Biden, or those who make decisions for him, sat down to determine what the raise in January should be, they more than likely didn’t say “well we could give ALL federal employees a big raise, but those fuckers in the FAA have a 1.6% every June. Guess we’ll just need to make it 2%”

So by that logic, ANY federal employee that made $100k in 2019, is effectively behind financially relative to inflation. However, as an agency, our 1.6% in June has kept us on track with it.

BUT, the June longevity raise was never designed or negotiated to be a tool to offset inflation. It is meant to move the employee up in the pay band, rewarding them for their service to the FAA.

Differentials are also not taken into consideration when determining an employee’s salary. My SF-50 doesn’t have my salary listed with an asterisk saying *plus differentials*. The differentials are a tool to provide the appropriate incentives for working shit schedules, holidays, Sundays, or to partake in additional duties like training.

In a much simpler Kamala friendly version “sometimes when the number go up, it doesn’t always mean the number feels the same as it was in the past. So we are being burdened by what has been and what is to come”

You've never delt with coffee have you? He's literally mentally retarded.

 

[GMX]

FJB

 

[Logical_Mongoose]

FJB

Instructions unclear, dick stuck in ballot box.

 

[Phillytroll69]

Jesus christ shut the fuck up moron. I'm not citing sources to "show how smart I am". I'm showing goose how one sentence from one guy doesn't mean that's the end-all-be-all definition of something. Which should be obvious to anyone with more than one brain cell, but alas.
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lol. I'm pretty sure oversimplifying is saying *one single thing* is the sole cause of all inflation. You're literally arguing against yourself.

Meanwhile you're ignoring literal decades of Japanese economic data which clearly show that your argument holds no merit whatsoever. You could also look at the US, though we haven't had deflation which illustrates this much more plainly. US money supply is constantly increasing, and most of the time when there are large increases in inflation, there is very little to no change at all in rate of change of overall increase in the money supply. Coincidentally, this time there is. Oh no, the world must be ending.

Keep burying your head in the sand. Or maybe you can find something else Tucker Carlson or whoever told you to regurgitate.

 

[Phillytroll69]

I think what most people are trying to explain to you is that the June raise is exclusive to the FAA.

For anyone else that ever says this the GS scale has step raises built in. Our 1.6 is to simply be ON PAR.

If you go look at it most of the gs step increases are, on average, 3% (Huge union win here)

So yes the 1.6 is unique to the FAA while our government peers get January, and an almost guaranteed step raise.

Other thinks exclusive for us
ATC payscale

The atc pays calendar use to smoke the gs scale. What's the base for a 12z right now? 128k? (Base means no locality)

That's the same as GS 15, coincidence? In 10 steps that GS15 tops out with locality and they have given us the same in 20 years.


2010GS 15 Step 1, 99,628
2010 Atc level 12, 103,669

2024 GS 15 Step 1, 123,041
2024 Atc level 12, 128,035

GS increase- 19-20%
Atc increase- 19%-20%

Early retirement and good time are all we got, we exchanged that for telecommute days.

PPL is the same
Leave is the same
Night differential

Night Shift Differential for Federal Wage System Employees

Welcome to opm.gov

www.opm.gov

 

[GroundClutter]

For anyone else that ever says this the GS scale has step raises built in. Our 1.6 is to simply be ON PAR.

If you go look at it most of the gs step increases are, on average, 3% (Huge union win here)

So yes the 1.6 is unique to the FAA while our government peers get January, and an almost guaranteed step raise.

Other thinks exclusive for us
ATC payscale

The atc pays calendar use to smoke the gs scale. What's the base for a 12z right now? 128k? (Base means no locality)

That's the same as GS 15, coincidence? In 10 steps that GS15 tops out with locality and they have given us the same in 20 years.


2010GS 15 Step 1, 99,628
2010 Atc level 12, 103,669

2024 GS 15 Step 1, 123,041
2024 Atc level 12, 128,035

GS increase- 19-20%
Atc increase- 19%-20%

Early retirement and good time are all we got, we exchanged that for telecommute days.

PPL is the same
Leave is the same
Night differential

Night Shift Differential for Federal Wage System Employees

Welcome to opm.gov

www.opm.gov

But but the union got us so much!

 

[Redacted]

For anyone else that ever says this the GS scale has step raises built in. Our 1.6 is to simply be ON PAR.

If you go look at it most of the gs step increases are, on average, 3% (Huge union win here)

So yes the 1.6 is unique to the FAA while our government peers get January, and an almost guaranteed step raise.

Other thinks exclusive for us
ATC payscale

The atc pays calendar use to smoke the gs scale. What's the base for a 12z right now? 128k? (Base means no locality)

That's the same as GS 15, coincidence? In 10 steps that GS15 tops out with locality and they have given us the same in 20 years.


2010GS 15 Step 1, 99,628
2010 Atc level 12, 103,669

2024 GS 15 Step 1, 123,041
2024 Atc level 12, 128,035

GS increase- 19-20%
Atc increase- 19%-20%

Early retirement and good time are all we got, we exchanged that for telecommute days.

PPL is the same
Leave is the same
Night differential

Night Shift Differential for Federal Wage System Employees

Welcome to opm.gov

www.opm.gov

You can also be awarded step increases on a decently regular basis by your manager. By the time you’re step 7/8/9 that award is up to 3 years of progression.

GS companions can hit step 10 far quicker than we can hit top of band because of QSI awards.

 

[Phillytroll69]

You can also be awarded step increases on a decently regular basis by your manager. By the time you’re step 7/8/9 that award is up to 3 years of progression.

GS companions can hit step 10 far quicker than we can hit top of band because of QSI awards.

Performance based raises are reserved for management. Like unlimited credit earn and burn

 

[Nothanks]

Ya’ll better start using your time more wisely.

If you are waiting for the government to start paying you significantly more money that would change your life….you just aren’t very smart or realistic.

If you have no other life skills besides ATC, you better get off this forum and use that time to invest and strategically set your self up financially.

No one cares about you guys argueing the nuances of inflation and economics. Shit costs more than before Covid and no one is changing that. Figure out how to deal with it

 

[Phillytroll69]

Ya’ll better start using your time more wisely.

If you are waiting for the government to start paying you significantly more money that would change your life….you just aren’t very smart or realistic.

If you have no other life skills besides ATC, you better get off this forum and use that time to invest and strategically set your self up financially.

No one cares about you guys argueing the nuances of inflation and economics. Shit costs more than before Covid and no one is changing that. Figure out how to deal with it

Exactly Biden and Trump BOTH made the millionaires and billionaires richer. Lower middle class to middle class is the aim for this job

 

[AB19]

Exactly Biden and Trump BOTH made the millionaires and billionaires richer. Lower middle class to middle class is the aim for this job

Lower middle class when the lowest paid CPC makes significantly more than the median income lmao

 

[Phillytroll69]

Lower middle class when the lowest paid CPC makes significantly more than the median income lmao

Median household in nassau is 137 k.
In 2012 that was 97 k

40 k difference

2012 12z cpc 104k
2024 12z cpc 128k

24k difference.
Controller today makes 16k less than comparatively

 

[GroundClutter]

Lower middle class when the lowest paid CPC makes significantly more than the median income lmao

You Bozo's love saying this like it's some gotcha.

Newsflash homie everyone is underpaid. You keep saying median income but that not what they said. They're talking about historically what being middle class meant.

You ever wonder why they say the middle class is eroding? I'm not fuckin trying to be Median Class.

 

[Gauff]

Ya’ll better start using your time more wisely.

If you are waiting for the government to start paying you significantly more money that would change your life….you just aren’t very smart or realistic.

If you have no other life skills besides ATC, you better get off this forum and use that time to invest and strategically set your self up financially.

No one cares about you guys argueing the nuances of inflation and economics. Shit costs more than before Covid and no one is changing that. Figure out how to deal with it

You're right, no one talk about how our pay isn't what it should be and how it keeps getting worse. People should only be talking about how great NATCA is at collaboration and realize that if we wanted our union to push for better pay and compensation then NATCA wouldn't be so successful at collaboration. That's obviously more important

 

[Nothanks]

You're right, no one talk about how our pay isn't what it should be and how it keeps getting worse. People should only be talking about how great NATCA is at collaboration and realize that if we wanted our union to push for better pay and compensation then NATCA wouldn't be so successful at collaboration. That's obviously more important

Maybe that’s your interpretation of what I said. But not mine. Aren’t you a non-member, that doesn’t even get to vote ?

I spoke nothing of natca

 

[Gauff]

Maybe that’s your interpretation of what I said. But not mine. Aren’t you a non-member, that doesn’t even get to vote ?

I spoke nothing of natca

Idk what you're on about. Everyone is a member. There are non dues paying members and then dues paying members. I am dues paying but not proudly at this part in our union, so idk where you thought I wasn't.

But yeah you didn't mention NATCA 🤷‍♂️

 

[Nothanks]

Idk what you're on about. Everyone is a member. There are non dues paying members and then dues paying members. I am dues paying but not proudly at this part in our union, so idk where you thought I wasn't.

But yeah you didn't mention NATCA 🤷‍♂️

I was on about people trying to figure out their lives financially outside of wishing for some type of life changing raise. People better start to figure it out before the overtime starts to dry up in some places.

 

[Gauff]

I was on about people trying to figure out their lives financially outside of wishing for some type of life changing raise. People better start to figure it out before the overtime starts to dry up in some places.

Gotcha, yeah people gotta take care of their personal situations with what they make currently and definitely should not make future investments in the hope of a significant raise. Honestly the amount of people that base their financials off OT is shocking, and if controllers weren't so money hungry at the cost of their life's and refuse the OT then we'd be able to put the FAA in a pinch when it comes to negotiations 🤷‍♂️.

But I get that people complaining about pay on here most likely isn't gonna fix anything, but I don't take it as people banking on a huge raise even if it's deserved. However if you look at this site 3-4 years ago the amount of consistent comments and threads about pay were almost non existent.

And since it seems both the final two campaigns have acknowledged (indirectly) this site and Reddit, I'd say it's a solid spot for controllers to air their grievances

Didn't mean to take your previous comment out of context though

 

[Termine]

Everyone is a member.

If we're getting into the terminology weeds, everyone is a "bargaining unit employee." Some BUEs pay dues to the union and therefore they are union members. Some BUEs do not pay dues and therefore they are non-members.