2025 Federal Pay Raise

[bravounite33]

I guess you don’t work under ZTL airspace.

I know multiple facilities this happens at...all are in the southern region

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

I guess you don’t work under ZTL airspace.

Take our freakin handoffs bro

 

[Logical_Mongoose]

Honestly, if I were in their shoes, I'd reject it and vote to strike. Boeing is so deep in the shitter right now with managerial incompetence that they can't afford a strike on top of it. They've been juicing their stock price with buybacks since the Max debacle started and every piece of bad news brings them closer to not being able to sustain their overinflated stock price. Them merely voting to strike could net them an immediate gain to those topline numbers that could be resolved pretty quickly. Potentially a real easy way to get 7% added to the raises and an extra $2k added to the ratification bonus.

I don't want to gloat too hard or anything, but damn did I call it.

Boeing just unilaterally upped the contract offer an additional 5% raise and an extra $3k added to the ratification bonus.

Apparently Boeing didn't formally send the offer to the union representatives, so the union can't hold an actual vote on it.

It will be interesting to see what happens over the next days/weeks, as it seems like the rank & file's biggest demand is regaining the pension plan that was terminated over a decade ago. I don't think they can put that toothpaste back in the tube and get their pensions back, but maybe they can use it as leverage for a larger 401k match or something. My gut tells me the union should be able to negotiate another 5% raise and maybe some additional 401k match and call that close to an absolute win.

 

[Nothanks]

They want their pensions back. They won’t get it

 

[Motodog]

They want their pensions back. They won’t get it

I think you’re right. Traditional pensions/defined benefit are just about gone now. It’s all about self funded (maybe w a match), plans/defined ‘contribution’. Like 401k, less $ for mgt, easier for them to manage

 

[CHALUPE71]

I think you’re right. Traditional pensions/defined benefit are just about gone now. It’s all about self funded (maybe w a match), plans/defined ‘contribution’. Like 401k, less $ for mgt, easier for them to manage

One of the major US political parties wants to get rid of pensions for federal employees.

 

[Logical_Mongoose]

They want their pensions back. They won’t get it

I think you’re right. Traditional pensions/defined benefit are just about gone now. It’s all about self funded (maybe w a match), plans/defined ‘contribution’. Like 401k, less $ for mgt, easier for them to manage

Getting it back is their rallying cry. The contract they just voted down offered an extra $2/hr flat contribution to their 401k while maintaining the previous company 4% contribution + 75% matching up to 8% (if I'm reading the proposal correctly).

But like I said, I imagine competent union negotiators would use that as leverage to "negotiate down" to adding more to their 401k match: ditch the $2/hr, bump the company contribution to 6% and make it a 100% match to 10%, or something along those lines.

Boeing immediately started feeling the pressure of the strike. Considering they are arguing over what would likely amount to less than 5% of one of their most recent stock buybacks, it would behoove them to up their offer ASAP to get their employees back to work.

I totally agree with that. I’m just personally of the view that not having debt is an amazing feeling. Anybody I’ve ever talked to who has had the pleasure of paying their mortgage off early just describes a freedom they didn’t know they would feel.

What’s worth more to each individual? The few points you may or may not gain on the market, or the feeling of knowing things are truly yours and nobody has their hand out for what’s owed?

I guess we can all chalk it up to personal preference. I choose debt free and less risk.

You are never truly out of debt even if you pay the mortgage off. County taxes and home insurance payments are a housing debt you will never pay off. Rent or buy, it’s all a big game but sadly you will always owe someone. Quality of life and not being the richest dude in the graveyard should be the goals.

Every controller who is a veteran can get a mortgage with 0% down with the VA Loan.

VA loans won’t work in a competitive market, looks like the suckers and losers who try it are out of luck.

 

[Logical_Mongoose]

Shit, it turns out Boeing's unsanctioned offer also included upping the 401k contribution match to 100% up to 8%.

These mofos wild'n! 😂

Get 'em!

 

[Logical_Mongoose]

Longshoreman in 3 days: 6 year contract, 62% raise.

 

[J8ke]

Longshoreman in 3 days: 6 year contract, 62% raise.

For comparison, the slate book 1.6% raise ends up being approximately a 10% raise over 6 years.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

We have one of the most specialized jobs there is, that very few people can actually do (and those that can have to train for 2-5 years) getting 1.6% a year. Meanwhile, longshoremen, which is basically a zero skill pure labor job, get a 62% raise. Not knocking them in any way, good for those guys, but just another example of how vastly undervalued we are.

 

[Ad1234]

We have one of the most specialized jobs there is, that very few people can actually do (and those that can have to train for 2-5 years) getting 1.6% a year. Meanwhile, longshoremen, which is basically a zero skill pure labor job, get a 62% raise. Not knocking them in any way, good for those guys, but just another example of how vastly undervalued we are.

Not commenting one way or the other, the top of their current payscale is only 81k.

 

[Nothanks]

Not commenting one way or the other, the top of their current payscale is only 81k.

Don’t give me context! I dont want that!

 

[ClearanceClarence]

Don’t give me context! I dont want that!

You’re probably the dumbest fucking idiot on this site.

 

[Nothanks]

You’re probably the dumbest fucking idiot on this site.

Doubtful. I’m just glad I don’t live my life as angry as you.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

Not commenting one way or the other, the top of their current payscale is only 81k.

Now it’s 137K, and most of those guys work at least an extra 8-10 hours a week OT, some work doubles like prison guards for major OT. Everyone fully vested will be making more then level 12 controllers other then the high level controllers on ) day weeks.

 

[ATC Zero]

Not commenting one way or the other, the top of their current payscale is only 81k.

Yes and a lot of controllers are making less than 100k at CPC with little in the way of upward movement.

 

[ATCJoe85]

Context:

"A 2019-2020 report by the Waterfront Commission of New York Harbor said about a third of longshoremen based there made at least $200,000 a year, and more than half earned over $150,000.

Though not the norm, 59 dockworkers brought in more than $400,000 that year, according to the report.

West Coast dockworkers have a separate union from East Coast workers. They agreed to a new six-year contract last year, which included a 32% raise, Reuters reported.

According to The New York Times, West Coast longshore workers make nearly $55 an hour, earning an average of nearly $220,000 last year."

Eagerly looking forward to the next bootlicking response.

 

[TangoBearFox]

You’re probably the dumbest fucking idiot on this site.

That's a high bar.

 

[Nothanks]

Now it’s 137K, and most of those guys work at least an extra 8-10 hours a week OT, some work doubles like prison guards for major OT. Everyone fully vested will be making more then level 12 controllers other then the high level controllers on ) day weeks.

level 12 controllers even at a 1st year cpc will make 175k+ without any overtime. So that’s just a false statement. Compare no OT to no OT