Midair Collision DCA

Not even on the list of important things when dealing with this accident……. But Can you imagine trying to fight for a new contract in the midst of this right now?
 
HurryUpandWait said:
Yeah… “he said he had him in sight” is spewed from developmentals all the time and the usual reply from CPCs is it isn’t “ensured”.
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I’ve had more than my share of trainees do the same. It’s so frustrating when you can sense an open ended issue not being resolved fully…
 
HurryUpandWait said:
Yeah… “he said he had him in sight” is spewed from developmentals all the time and the usual reply from CPCs is it isn’t “ensured”.
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Gladly left the boards when I got my good-time as I was tired of beating my head against the wall explaining and writing-up the differences in positive control and procedural control. There is a major difference in knowing aircraft are separated (positive control) and thinking aircraft are separated (procedural control).

In Bravo airspace, when two aircraft collide mid-air in VFR conditions, it's always the fault of the controllers.
 
echster said:
Gladly left the boards when I got my good-time as I was tired of beating my head against the wall explaining and writing-up the differences in positive control and procedural control. There is a major difference in knowing aircraft are separated (positive control) and thinking aircraft are separated (procedural control).

In Bravo airspace, when two aircraft collide mid-air in VFR conditions, it's always the fault of the controllers.
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What's the point of maintain visual separation then, should the controllers hop in the cockpit and stop them from flying into the traffic they say they see? Fuck off
 
AB19 said:
What's the point of maintain visual separation then, should the controllers hop in the cockpit and stop them from flying into the traffic they say they see? Fuck off
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The point being made is you can't assume what the pilot is looking at. I'm not going to Monday morning QB it as I'm sure there is also a trust factor the DC guys have with those Huey pilots that transit through there all the time, but was he aware the CRJ was circling to 33? You can never assume in this job but we all do to some extent. This poor dude will live with that the rest of his life.
 
cmac said:
The point being made is you can't assume what the pilot is looking at. I'm not going to Monday morning QB it as I'm sure there is also a trust factor the DC guys have with those Huey pilots that transit through there all the time, but was he aware the CRJ was circling to 33? You can never assume in this job but we all do to some extent. This poor dude will live with that the rest of his life.
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If you listen to the audio the original traffic call he told the helicopter pilot the CRJ would be circling to 33.

Looking at the track from the falcon replay it looks like they were just in a track to pass behind if the CRJ had stayed on rwy 1 so maybe they missed that part of the traffic call and assumed they would be on rwy 1
 
echster said:
Gladly left the boards when I got my good-time as I was tired of beating my head against the wall explaining and writing-up the differences in positive control and procedural control. There is a major difference in knowing aircraft are separated (positive control) and thinking aircraft are separated (procedural control).

In Bravo airspace, when two aircraft collide mid-air in VFR conditions, it's always the fault of the controllers.
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Dunning-Kruger ass post lol
 
echster said:
Gladly left the boards when I got my good-time as I was tired of beating my head against the wall explaining and writing-up the differences in positive control and procedural control. There is a major difference in knowing aircraft are separated (positive control) and thinking aircraft are separated (procedural control).

In Bravo airspace, when two aircraft collide mid-air in VFR conditions, it's always the fault of the controllers.
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Always?
These are the clowns they hire into QC.
This guy missed a required traffic call to the RJ. Had he done that it would just be on the helo pilot. Proper visual is ensured separation.
 
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