IFR on missed in pattern

[SharkBait]

Had a conversation pop up with people on both sides and nothing to support one side over the other. Aircraft on a VA goes around short final and requests to stay in pattern and doesnt cancel IFR, is this legal? Legal with approach approval? With LOA?

 

[SquawkHijack]

Don’t bother with this dip shit. He obviously can’t read or he’d know we were talking about a missed from the ILS not visual.

Yeah well OP said nothing about an ILS, so you can drop that “we” shit.

 

[ApexPredator]

If the field is VFR, why cant you have someone who did an ILS enter the tower pattern? We do that every single day.

Needs to be cleared for visual approach first, until then atc is responsible for terrain and obstruction clearance.

 

[KP-ATC]

Needs to be cleared for visual approach first, until then atc is responsible for terrain and obstruction clearance.

Could circle to land, depending on the specific approach.

 

[Shikaka]

A visual approach is inclusive of the pattern, per the AIM a pilot conducting a visual approach and going missed is supposed to enter the pattern. I believe AIM 5-4-62 (e) covers procedures for this.

For the .65, 7-4-1

a. At airports with an operating control tower, aircraft executing a go−around may be directed to:
1. Enter the traffic pattern for landing. An altitude assignment is not required. The pilot is expected to climb
to pattern altitude and is responsible to maintain terrain and obstruction avoidance. ATC must provide approved seperation or visual seperation from other IFR aircraft

 

[Soul_Controller]

Everyone say it with me now "you can be IFR in the tower pattern"

 

[22papa]

Everyone say it with me now "you can be IFR in the tower pattern"

The IFR can be you pattern in tower. Sorry, best I can do as a former level 5 controller.

 

[GMX]

Everyone say it with me now "you can be IFR in the tower pattern"

If an IFR goes missed--as in not planned--I first issue our LOA missed approach so they're technically on that. THEN, if visual approach conditions (Ch. 7-4-2) are in effect I ask if they want vectors back for an approach or if they wanna stay with me in the pattern.

If they stay in the pattern and there's other IFR traffic I use tower and/or pilot applied visual. I then call approach and let them know they're staying with me and they're like, "yeah, nice". If there's too much traffic or a sequence inbound I don't do any of this but just send back to approach on the LOA missed to re-sequence. If they're GA I might ask if they want to cancel IFR to simplify things but often there isn't other traffic to worry about so remaining IFR is no big deal.

By and large air carriers aren't allowed to go VFR so I never ask; I keep them in the pattern if they want and it will work or I just ship them back to radar. Also, air carriers are often scared to just stay in the pattern so they get shipped back anyway.

Whoever said they become VFR after they miss is not correct. Like, if they go missed and it's IMC do they become VFR? Just because it's nice out and they go missed doesn't make them VFR.

 

[Motodog]

If an IFR goes missed--as in not planned--I first issue our LOA missed approach so they're technically on that. THEN, if visual approach conditions (Ch. 7-4-2) are in effect I ask if they want vectors back for an approach or if they wanna stay with me in the pattern.

If they stay in the pattern and there's other IFR traffic I use tower and/or pilot applied visual. I then call approach and let them know they're staying with me and they're like, "yeah, nice". If there's too much traffic or a sequence inbound I don't do any of this but just send back to approach on the LOA missed to re-sequence. If they're GA I might ask if they want to cancel IFR to simplify things but often there isn't other traffic to worry about so remaining IFR is no big deal.

By and large air carriers aren't allowed to go VFR so I never ask; I keep them in the pattern if they want and it will work or I just ship them back to radar. Also, air carriers are often scared to just stay in the pattern so they get shipped back anyway.

Whoever said they become VFR after they miss is not correct. Like, if they go missed and it's IMC do they become VFR? Just because it's nice out and they go missed doesn't make them VFR.

That’s a good answer. And even if ya give em published missed, majority have glass cockpits/FMC these days, they get the gear up and let the box fly all the headings/course, altitude level offs, speeds. Otherwise published miss can be a bitch for em, busy time