Government Shutdown

The mega right wing sites are saying that the furlough is going to be used to implement a 30 day reduction in force rule throughout many government agencies.

Trump's shutdown trap?

And Alex Jones was 100 percent sure trump was going to declare a National Emergency during his national address... They are all nut jobs. ???

Why dont Chuck n Nancy split the difference and get us paid again?

Trump has already said it's 5.6, now 5.7 or nothing. There is no splitting the difference.

Buckle in boys and girls and let's see what happens. TSA, CBP and federal corrections officers you know what to do, ATC is counting on you.
 
It's this kind of partisanship that has us at this place to begin with. I know you hate Trump, but a simple comprise would have this over tomorrow. I'm blaming ALL of our feckless loser politicians. It's going to take both sides to end this. I hate them all.

Well you keep saying you blame all the politicians and yet just keep asking why chuck and Nancy don’t do something. They did compromise back in December and Republicans were fine with it. Since that day, trump has raised his demands by more than double.
 
Well you keep saying you blame all the politicians and yet just keep asking why chuck and Nancy don’t do something. They did compromise back in December and Republicans were fine with it. Since that day, trump has raised his demands by more than double.

You guys can "like" every anti-Trump post all you want, but this kind of group think isnt going to get us paid. If you think he us magically going to wake one day and capitulate, you have severe expectation bias. Only a compromise will end this and everyone knows it. Both sides feel this is "good" for them (2020) at the moment. They dont give a shit about us. Trump isn't blameless, he obviously flipped the script in the 11th hour. To just blindly come in everyday and throw out a Trump is heartless & evil zinger is pointless and will never lead to any solutions. Literally Chuck n Nancys current position is 0 for any barrier, and bizarrely that its "immoral" . Obviously that's not a sustainable position given the current state of play. Both sides are to blame. All politicians are clearly scum!
 
You guys can "like" every anti-Trump post all you want, but this kind of group think isnt going to get us paid. If you think he us magically going to wake one day and capitulate, you have severe expectation bias. Only a compromise will end this and everyone knows it. Both sides feel this is "good" for them (2020) at the moment. They dont give a shit about us. Trump isn't blameless, he obviously flipped the script in the 11th hour. To just blindly come in everyday and throw out a Trump is heartless & evil zinger is pointless and will never lead to any solutions. Literally Chuck n Nancys current position is 0 for any barrier, and bizarrely that its "immoral" . Obviously that's not a sustainable position given the current state of play. Both sides are to blame. All politicians are clearly scum!
Blaming both sides is your confirmation bias. They literally already compromised. And we are completely irrelevant here. It's only about winning. The right wing propaganda machine decides what their sheep will support and they've decided he needs the wall now. He's in a corner he created cuz he's a dumbass. Chuck and Nancy also don't care about us and are willing to let us rot because they know the reality is this is on trump and McConnell completely and they hold all the leverage. The only way this gets solved is if the pressure builds on republicans in the senate to break the line. No easy task. I think TSA is our best chance.
 
Maybe not a formal RiF, but eventually natural selection will work it way through. People will start quitting if this drags on for 3, 4, 5 paychecks. When that happens depending on how many quit, it could potentially cripple the government. Not only does trump get his polish standoff but he also gets to reduce the federal workforce, win win for him.

A side note, people are looking for a reason for the next major recession. Dumping 3-400,000 federal workers on the labor market and the ensuing defaults on their notes could do it.
 
Maybe not a formal RiF, but eventually natural selection will work it way through. People will start quitting if this drags on for 3, 4, 5 paychecks. When that happens depending on how many quit, it could potentially cripple the government. Not only does trump get his polish standoff but he also gets to reduce the federal workforce, win win for him.

A side note, people are looking for a reason for the next major recession. Dumping 3-400,000 federal workers on the labor market and the ensuing defaults on their notes could do it.


I don’t think this will EVER happen man. There are some ATCS with diverse and expansive skills who came from the private sector, have non-aviation degrees, etc..... But this is not meant to sound bad but ATC is a nitch job and most of us are one trick ponies. Even in a good job market finding a new job and starting takes weeks/months, and if all you ever did is ATC good luck finding a job that pays 40% of it. It’s not a real option. And imagin how long HR and the FAA would play around getting those people the back pay if they already left the agency? So for better or worse it is time to suck it up, keep working and wait for the back pay, probably in February. And that’s just the bottom line (cause Stone Cold said so).

I understand your comment was not totally ATC specific but the same type of argument applies to lots of federal jobs.
 
I don’t think this will EVER happen man. There are some ATCS with diverse and expansive skills who came from the private sector, have non-aviation degrees, etc..... But this is not meant to sound bad but ATC is a nitch job and most of us are one trick ponies. Even in a good job market finding a new job and starting takes weeks/months, and if all you ever did is ATC good luck finding a job that pays 40% of it. It’s not a real option. And imagin how long HR and the FAA would play around getting those people the back pay if they already left the agency? So for better or worse it is time to suck it up, keep working and wait for the back pay, probably in February. And that’s just the bottom line (cause Stone Cold said so).

I understand your comment was not totally ATC specific but the same type of argument applies to lots of federal jobs.
ATC is a drop in the bucket of the total amount of people effected by this.
 
I don’t think this will EVER happen man. There are some ATCS with diverse and expansive skills who came from the private sector, have non-aviation degrees, etc..... But this is not meant to sound bad but ATC is a nitch job and most of us are one trick ponies. Even in a good job market finding a new job and starting takes weeks/months, and if all you ever did is ATC good luck finding a job that pays 40% of it. It’s not a real option. And imagin how long HR and the FAA would play around getting those people the back pay if they already left the agency? So for better or worse it is time to suck it up, keep working and wait for the back pay, probably in February. And that’s just the bottom line (cause Stone Cold said so).

I understand your comment was not totally ATC specific but the same type of argument applies to lots of federal jobs.


I think you underestimate the federal workforce. Everything from biologists, chemists, pilots, office clerks, park rangers, finance guys, you name there is generally a private sector equivalent of every federal job. And even if there isn’t, generally there are state, county municipal equivalents.

Even controllers. You’d be surprised how your skills translate into the private sector when you start digging around different aviation jobs. Most of them pay around 70-120k. Not great for the level 10-12 guys but doable.

I believe this reality is a lot closer then people think.
 
For anyone in the Guard or Reserves, you could try looking into getting on temporary orders; front loading some of the year's drills; or getting on TDYs. Might be a way to keep a little income coming in until the shutdown is over. FAA, or any employer, can't stop you from going on military orders. I mention it because some of the younger troops might be unaware.
 
You guys can "like" every anti-Trump post all you want, but this kind of group think isnt going to get us paid. If you think he us magically going to wake one day and capitulate, you have severe expectation bias. Only a compromise will end this and everyone knows it. Both sides feel this is "good" for them (2020) at the moment. They dont give a shit about us. Trump isn't blameless, he obviously flipped the script in the 11th hour. To just blindly come in everyday and throw out a Trump is heartless & evil zinger is pointless and will never lead to any solutions. Literally Chuck n Nancys current position is 0 for any barrier, and bizarrely that its "immoral" . Obviously that's not a sustainable position given the current state of play. Both sides are to blame. All politicians are clearly scum!

Have you seen any of the polls about the wall and the shut down? Everyday new ones come out that look worse for Trump, if you are "Chuck & Nancy" and you see these polls you are emboldened. Did you see the letter she sent to Trump about the SOTU address? She basically told him he can't use the house of reps chamber for it unless they govt is open and if it isn't by then to just send a letter to congress instead.

Say whatever you want about Pelosi's policies, but there is no denying shes a shrewd politician who can read the writing on the wall. They wont compromise if they think they can pin this on Trump and right now its going that direction.

I am not against trying to compromise(I personally think the wall is stupid), but the reality is that democrats don't have a ton of motivation to end the shutdown because public opinion is on their side at the moment.
 
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