Training hold

[CaptainObvious]

So you don’t think the agency is receiving advice from medical professionals (maybe like RFS, CDC, etc.) on when it is safe to stop social distancing, bring more people into the building thus increasing risk, and start training again while maybe completely compromising the ability to provide ATC services of an entire facility closes due to a preventable outbreak? Facilities are at reduced staffing for a reason. If 1/3 or 1/2 of the facility gets sick/quarantined then there is at least 2/3 or 1/2 that can still work and cover.

Based on their late response to the whole thing, I’m not sure what advice they received

 

[CLRD4TO]

Everyone knows that center folks are just people that pilots talk to between real controllers.

 

[32andBelow]

I guess these VRA guys just completely skipped RTF and TSEW then... Both of which are in Oklahoma City...

If they got a80 on a previous experience then they have serious previous radar experience. Most of the trainees here are not at high level tracons.

So you don’t think the agency is receiving advice from medical professionals (maybe like RFS, CDC, etc.) on when it is safe to stop social distancing, bring more people into the building thus increasing risk, and start training again while maybe completely compromising the ability to provide ATC services of an entire facility closes due to a preventable outbreak? Facilities are at reduced staffing for a reason. If 1/3 or 1/2 of the facility gets sick/quarantined then there is at least 2/3 or 1/2 that can still work and cover.

The agency already restarted lab training in Oklahoma City. With employees that aren’t in the bargaining unit.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

The people who don’t want to train are getting absolutely ridiculous at this point. They jump from one excuse to the next on why training can’t happen. One minute it’s COVID, the next it’s traffic, the next it’s something else, then back to COVID, rinse and repeat. Let’s be real: this is a about a few selfish people not wanting to give up their cushy schedules and/or they’ve just always hated training and want to avoid doing it as long as possible. Period.

 

[PushingTin]

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[mnsalty]

This is truly getting just stupid. Honestly, FURLOUGH THEM ALL. do as Robertb says. 2025 it is folks. like I said, the heck with any staffing problems it creates and eventually degrades service as a result anyways. anyone wanna seriously sit here and tell me the culture towards training is going to suck until all these "bitchy trainees" retire? Can't freaking wait.

 

[Dontbotherme]

If they got a80 on a previous experience then they have serious previous radar experience. Most of the trainees here are not at high level tracons.



The agency already restarted lab training in Oklahoma City. With employees that aren’t in the bargaining unit.

Do you consider SEALORD to be serious previous radar experience?!? The agency sees a body and places a body. That’s why you have level 4 tower controllers going to high level tracons through NCEPT.
Also, those new employees CANNOT harm a facility leading to the loss of AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL ABILITY! If they get COVID-19, who cares because they aren’t anywhere near real ATC.

 

[TinPushing]

Can y’all just kiss and make up already? Jfc.

 

[32andBelow]

Do you consider SEALORD to be serious previous radar experience?!? The agency sees a body and places a body. That’s why you have level 4 tower controllers going to high level tracons through NCEPT.
Also, those new employees CANNOT harm a facility leading to the loss of AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL ABILITY! If they get COVID-19, who cares because they aren’t anywhere near real ATC.

You think they are thinking that dynamically? The faa said let’s restart training. And natca said let’s collaborate. And here we are.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Do you consider SEALORD to be serious previous radar experience?!? The agency sees a body and places a body. That’s why you have level 4 tower controllers going to high level tracons through NCEPT.
Also, those new employees CANNOT harm a facility leading to the loss of AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL ABILITY! If they get COVID-19, who cares because they aren’t anywhere near real ATC.

That FACSFAC guy should’ve never been sent there, I agree with you on that

 

[mnsalty]

So you don’t think the agency is receiving advice from medical professionals (maybe like RFS, CDC, etc.) on when it is safe to stop social distancing, bring more people into the building thus increasing risk, and start training again while maybe completely compromising the ability to provide ATC services of an entire facility closes due to a preventable outbreak? Facilities are at reduced staffing for a reason. If 1/3 or 1/2 of the facility gets sick/quarantined then there is at least 2/3 or 1/2 that can still work and cover.

yes, because only trainees can get CPCs sick. CPCs cannot possibly get other CPCs sick.

You mentioned everyone staying away from friends and family blah blah blah to certify. What about to provide those essential services? Or you're exempt because you're already a CPC so screw everyone else?

 

[Dontbotherme]

Yep. Have been for months. Regardless of what pushing tin assumes about me, I got signed off on the two most complex sectors first and only have two less complex ones left. So aside from the less complex sectors, I’m working just as hard as the CPCs do

Again, you’re not working the exact same traffic as CPCs even though they maybe the harder sectors so you shouldn’t be paid the same as a CPC yet. That same mindset is how Islip gets the same as Kennedy because they are both CPCs, in the same building. Newark works a hell of a lot harder, but they get the same pay as Liberty. People, like you, are the ones I actually feel slightly sorry for because if you’re telling the truth, which I could care less to verify, then you’re almost done with training and this pandemic screwed your progression up, but the safety of the workforce is significantly more important, to me, than pay.

 

[wepa]

Lock this shit up

 

[mnsalty]

which I could care less to verify

once again, screw everyone else

but the safety of the workforce is significantly more important, to me, than pay.

but you're admittedly biased because you already have a base of 180k+. admittedly, trainees are a little biased too because they're not making 180k. see the difference?

 

[mnsalty]

Lock this shit up

I know, i might actually get something done with my day if they lock it.

paging CF

 

[juniorvisa]

Do you think it's a little odd they wouldn't go into specifics about the issues they're trying to resolve or am I looking too far into this?

The issue is the 5/10 schedule and the push back against taking it away.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Again, you’re not working the exact same traffic as CPCs even though they maybe the harder sectors so you shouldn’t be paid the same as a CPC yet. That same mindset is how Islip gets the same as Kennedy because they are both CPCs, in the same building. Newark works a hell of a lot harder, but they get the same pay as Liberty. People, like you, are the ones I actually feel slightly sorry for because if you’re telling the truth, which I could care less to verify, then you’re almost done with training and this pandemic screwed your progression up, but the safety of the workforce is significantly more important, to me, than pay.

Understand that they have more sectors, and under normal circumstances I’d be ok with it, but 30 hours from mins with everyone from area rep on up on the Natca side and management agreeing that there’s going to be no issue checking out, and being sidelined is extremely frustrating. They’ve even tried waivers and different things to get a certification done, but on the OM level they’re scared of the optics and won’t do anything.

 

[PushingTin]

This is how the mods want to run things here but call out other lesser personal attacks? Cool.

oh now you are calling for mods? LOL dont pee your pants dude im only responding to you attacking me as insane because we have different politcal views. I've seen lots of hilarious videos of rioting "peaceful protesters" attacking people and screaming to abolish the police, without fail everytime someone fights back they immediatley call for police. Good job staying on brand

 

[32andBelow]

Again, you’re not working the exact same traffic as CPCs even though they maybe the harder sectors so you shouldn’t be paid the same as a CPC yet. That same mindset is how Islip gets the same as Kennedy because they are both CPCs, in the same building. Newark works a hell of a lot harder, but they get the same pay as Liberty. People, like you, are the ones I actually feel slightly sorry for because if you’re telling the truth, which I could care less to verify, then you’re almost done with training and this pandemic screwed your progression up, but the safety of the workforce is significantly more important, to me, than pay.

He’s working more traffic than the CPC because he has to go to the hard side every go.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

The “safety of the workforce” argument is bullshit and everyone knows it. If anyone cared about “safety” then everyone on their 5 or 10 off would be self-isolating in their houses instead of treating it like free annual leave. And you wouldn’t have people blowing up about having to wear a fucking mask. 1 out of every 100 in the anti-training crowd cares about “safety” the rest just want their cushy schedules and to not have to deal with training. News flash: training is a part of the job. Don’t like it? Quit.