Training hold

[CaptainObvious]

This isn’t a center vs. TRACON fight. Through all of our trivial arguments, apparently lots of us can all agree that we don’t like entitled trainees who think they should be checked out and someone else should work it if it gets busy.

Yet you all expect trainees to be hungry and fight to train. Interesting duality there. Be confident and motivated but if you’re confident in your abilities you’re entitled. Do you seriously think someone should train with the attitude of thinking they shouldn’t check out?

 

[Dontbotherme]

deal? that dude has never had a deal. he's God's gift to air traffic remember?

Everyone has had deals. The big difference is we’re they controlled or uncontrolled? Why do you think proximity events came about? Oh wait... you haven’t been around since that time or the three strikes and you’re out time...

 

[32andBelow]

This isn’t a center vs. TRACON fight. Through all of our trivial arguments, apparently lots of us can all agree that we don’t like entitled trainees who think they should be checked out and someone else should work it if it gets busy.

No one here wants to skip traffic. But if are so concerned about traffic levels then they could do additional fam training in the future. Like we do once a year anyways.

 

[mnsalty]

Oh wait... you haven’t been around since that time or the three strikes and you’re out time...

well, fortunately for you those times might not be too far away

 

[spider]

Yet you all expect trainees to be hungry and fight to train. Interesting duality there. Be confident and motivated but if you’re confident in your abilities you’re entitled. Do you seriously think someone should train with the attitude of thinking they shouldn’t check out?

Dude. He literally said you should page someone back if it gets busy. He just needs money. Oh and he’s had plenty of times where his trainers just don’t know the rules as well as he does. Superstar.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

The joy of seeing the training thread opened only to scroll through 8 pages of strait dumpster fire to find the update that is more of the same.

This thread would be totally fine if the anti-training zealots didn’t pop in and shit on everybody for being frustrated about the biggest training delay in FAA history. ?‍♂️

 

[CaptainObvious]

Dude. He literally said you should page someone back if it gets busy. He just needs money. Oh and he’s had plenty of times where his trainers just don’t know the rules as well as he does. Superstar.

I’m just speaking on a general level since you referenced trainees on a general level

 

[Robert_Boucher]

I go outside and play with my kids for an hour and a half and miss all the good stuff. That will be the last time I do that...

 

[spider]

I’m just speaking on a general level since you referenced trainees on a general level

I am not anti-trainee. I am definitely anti-32andClarence.

 

[Dontbotherme]

But then how can he self-quarantine on his days off to ensure he doesn't infect his crew on 5/5 when he comes back to work? Your arguments and claims about this being about "safety" just went out the window with that comment.

You guys are complaining about money and most of you are sitting at home doing nothing except getting on Point 65... Go get a job, if you need the money. The overwhelming number of trainees working AREN'T CURRENTLY NEEDED. They should be at home. Then, you can go get a job and quarantine yourself when it is time to go back to work. Sounds good? Yep...

 

[mnsalty]

Sounds good? Yep...

Yes sounds amazing. Keep them at home until 2025? or you want 2040? What year do you retire, let's go back after you're gone.

 

[CaptainObvious]

You guys are complaining about money and most of you are sitting at home doing nothing except getting on Point 65... Go get a job, if you need the money. The overwhelming number of trainees working AREN'T CURRENTLY NEEDED. They should be at home. Then, you can go get a job and quarantine yourself when it is time to go back to work. Sounds good? Yep...

I’d love to be sitting at home enjoying family time like the other trainees if there’s not going to be any update

 

[Dontbotherme]

well, fortunately for you those times might not be too far away

I hope those times never come back... Couple that with IWR and the work environment will be drastically different.

 

[32andBelow]

I’d love to be sitting at home enjoying family time like the other trainees if there’s not going to be any update

You’re the glue that makes 5/5 possible bro.

 

[mnsalty]

I hope those times never come back... Couple that with IWR and the work environment will be drastically different.

I'm just curious, would you say you represent a majority of controllers at A80 with your attitude? If so, the culture there probably already sucks anyways, so IWR really wouldn't be that much worse for the trainees.

 

[CLRD4TO]

Settle down everybody. I emailed Paul and Trish asking them to push out an update. They replied;

“Hey All You Cool Cats and Kittens,







In Solidarity,
Paul & Trish”

 

[Dontbotherme]

I'm just curious, would you say you represent a majority of controllers at A80 with your attitude? If so, the culture there probably already sucks anyways, so IWR really wouldn't be that much worse for the trainees.

What attitude do I have? I expect trainees to know the material they can control (SOP, LOAs, airspace, etc.), be receptive to training, be ready to train and learn from their mistakes, be willing to train during abnormal conditions (emergencies, weather, etc.), and ask questions when you don’t understand something. That’s not much to ask. You get what you’re willing to put in. I’m a realist and will call people out for their BS. You want to screw over a coworker, that is completely unacceptable to me. You want to skip a position because you don’t want to work the traffic you’re paid to? Again, completely unacceptable. We probably have one of the best work environments in the NAS. We work hard and expect the best effort out of ourselves and others. Don’t take my word for it, transfer down from Poughkeepsie (don’t worry NCEPT will let you) and see for yourself.

 

[MKK]

I wish we could all go back to 5/2 so you all wouldn’t have so much time to sit on .65 and argue ?

 

[32andBelow]

What attitude do I have? I expect trainees to know the material they can control (SOP, LOAs, airspace, etc.), be receptive to training, be ready to train and learn from their mistakes, be willing to train during abnormal conditions (emergencies, weather, etc.), and ask questions when you don’t understand something. That’s not much to ask. You get what you’re willing to put in. I’m a realist and will call people out for their BS. You want to screw over a coworker, that is completely unacceptable to me. You want to skip a position because you don’t want to work the traffic you’re paid to? Again, completely unacceptable. We probably have one of the best work environments in the NAS. We work hard and expect the best effort out of ourselves and others. Don’t take my word for it, transfer down from Poughkeepsie (don’t worry NCEPT will let you) and see for yourself.

But the trainees that want to train and are frustrated by a 6-infinite long training delay are entitled

 

[mnsalty]

What attitude do I have? I expect trainees to know the material they can control (SOP, LOAs, airspace, etc.), be receptive to training, be ready to train and learn from their mistakes, be willing to train during abnormal conditions (emergencies, weather, etc.), and ask questions when you don’t understand something. That’s not much to ask. You get what you’re willing to put in. I’m a realist and will call people out for their BS. You want to screw over a coworker, that is completely unacceptable to me. You want to skip a position because you don’t want to work the traffic you’re paid to? Again, completely unacceptable. We probably have one of the best work environments in the NAS. We work hard and expect the best effort out of ourselves and others. Don’t take my word for it, transfer down from Poughkeepsie (don’t worry NCEPT will let you) and see for yourself.

See, I don't disagree with any of this. But it's not the attitude I was referring to. None of this has anything at all to do with the training hold. You're dodging what you know I'm getting at, but whatever. I just would never want to work with someone like you who doesn't give a crap about those who have to replace the almighty CPCs someday.