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slim said:
It will be a quick checkout from the time you start training. If the directive says that we train on the traffic we have, then most people will check out at minimums. At least at the facilities that are still running 5/10 or 5/5. Im just talking about training hours, not training time with delays in there.
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yeah that's not how it's gonna work in reality. In reality trainers who remember the old traffic will probably not be handing out recommends until the final hour in order to stretch out the delay as much as possible. Do you see the attitude of most CPCs on here? They don't even want trainees at work, they aren't gonna be happy about training them and they're going to be ESPECIALLY pissed people are certifying on low traffic. That line in the memo is nothing more than a CYA for the agency so that the expectation is set and management has something to stand on.
 
mnsalty said:
Did you ever consider I have 0 interest in talking with you on a personal level? You're a bully, and I don't have any interest in engaging that. I don't have anything against A80, and if that's how my comments were perceived or sounded, honestly didn't mean it. A80 runs some impressive traffic and I envy the ability that exists in that building. But I fundamentally disagree with your stance on covid, other controllers, and society in general. I also don't have any interesting in engaging the covid discussion or training discussion with YOU specifically since it's been hashed out on here a million times.

There, you happy now?
PS- you have no clue where I work or if I'm even a controller. for all you know I washed out of A80 5 years ago...
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I appreciate you taking the time to respond. I wish you all the best, in your future endeavors. I look forward to seeing if your mindset changes, in the coming years. Best of luck to you and to all. Goodbye!
 
mnsalty said:
yeah that's not how it's gonna work in reality. In reality trainers who remember the old traffic will probably not be handing out recommends until the final hour in order to stretch out the delay as much as possible. Do you see the attitude of most CPCs on here? They don't even want trainees at work, they aren't gonna be happy about training them and they're going to be ESPECIALLY pissed people are certifying on low traffic. That line in the memo is nothing more than a CYA for the agency so that the expectation is set and management has something to stand on.
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In reality most CPCs aren't going to lose sleep over a trainee certifying on current traffic levels. I personally don't care if someone certified now or later. They may gripe about it but so what We all wine and complain about trivial things. What will piss most CPCs off is when there are spurts of busy traffic and a new CPC can't work it, or it does get busy but a sup won't split a position because they know good and well someone can't work it.
 
Alpha_bravo2 said:
In reality most CPCs aren't going to lose sleep over a trainee certifying on current traffic levels. I personally don't care if someone certified now or later. They may gripe about it but so what We all wine and complain about trivial things. What will piss most CPCs off is when there are spurts of busy traffic and a new CPC can't work it, or it does get busy but a sup won't split a position because they know good and well someone can't work it.
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eh, people usually pull it out of their tail when they need to. The idea of training isn't to see it all during OJT, and while I admit this isn't an ideal situation, I think CPC's secretly want trainees to fail to prove a point. It's natural, and it comes with the CPC cert. Everyone forgets their days as a trainee... or OKC.. or their first training session... it's uncalled for, really. Trainees are humans too, start treating them as such.
 
mnsalty said:
eh, people usually pull it out of their tail when they need to. The idea of training isn't to see it all during OJT, and while I admit this isn't an ideal situation, I think CPC's secretly want trainees to fail to prove a point. It's natural, and it comes with the CPC cert. Everyone forgets their days as a trainee... or OKC.. or their first training session... it's uncalled for, really. Trainees are humans too, start treating them as such.
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Maybe where you are that's the train of thought but most of us would like you as a trainee to CPC to either get leave or to ERR out. And no everyone doesn't forget their days as a trainee that's where most of us got certain "tools for our toolbag". If anything some CPCs probably learn a new thing or two when they train someone. If you or any other trainee is really being mistreated by your team or other CPCs speak up to NATCA or management.
 
mnsalty said:
eh, people usually pull it out of their tail when they need to. The idea of training isn't to see it all during OJT, and while I admit this isn't an ideal situation, I think CPC's secretly want trainees to fail to prove a point. It's natural, and it comes with the CPC cert. Everyone forgets their days as a trainee... or OKC.. or their first training session... it's uncalled for, really. Trainees are humans too, start treating them as such.
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mnsalty said:
big words for someone who's only been in for a handful of years....
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Seriously, gtfo with that nonsense. As with most things, there are douchebags who don't comprise the norm, and there are facilities with old school mentality, but coming in here and generalizing CPCs like that is B.S. You're projecting some oddly formed preconception onto CPCs as a whole.
 
mnsalty said:
yeah that's not how it's gonna work in reality. In reality trainers who remember the old traffic will probably not be handing out recommends until the final hour in order to stretch out the delay as much as possible. Do you see the attitude of most CPCs on here? They don't even want trainees at work, they aren't gonna be happy about training them and they're going to be ESPECIALLY pissed people are certifying on low traffic. That line in the memo is nothing more than a CYA for the agency so that the expectation is set and management has something to stand on.
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#in_solidarity #traineesarentpeople

Robertb said:
Huh? MNsalty ran his mouth and said he had issues with me. I sent him a PM to lay out his issues and he couldn’t be bothered to discuss them. Yet, every single day he wants to bitch about training and disregarding the entire reason we (agency and union) are social distancing! To avoid spreading COVID-19 leading to a loss of ATC services. So the -25 comment was a stab to get him to man up and bring his grievances to the table. He wants to shit talk a facility he has neither worked at visited. So I’m done hearing the bitching and griping of a controller working at somewhere like Poughkeepsie!
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You need a communication class-why would you end with "somewhere like Poughkeepsie," aren't we all in this together?

And a reality check-we are social distancing to keep this schedule-let's be real if you had to be accountable on zoom telecoms or whatever they have the trainees doing for 8 hours a day you wouldn't want to be on this schedule.

While on that topic you're telling me natca has distancing guidelines? Members aren't traveling, going to bars, cookouts, parties?

The agency is training-the academy and management side of things are both continuing, so that's a mute point.

I'd agree, but I've traveled every single one of my five off rotations this summer-and then come into work on Monday. So have most of my coworkers. So let's not get #safefy and #freeleave confused
 
Phillytroll69 said:
reality check-we are social distancing to keep this schedule
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I could stipulate to that, if we could agree that a lot of our shutdown has been and is still for a bogus reason.

Either non-essential training, movie theaters, nail salons, aquariums, museums, malls, indoor restaurants, etc... all need to come back, or they don't.

I don't care which side you are on, but just want to make it clear training is not above it all.
 
If only there was a very specific demographic such as those with pre-existing conditions that could isolate themselves until there was either a herd immunity or vaccine so that we didn't have everything go to shit.
 
Shikaka said:
If only there was a very specific demographic such as those with pre-existing conditions that could isolate themselves until there was either a herd immunity or vaccine so that we didn't have everything go to shit.
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Between heart disease, diabetes and obesity that’s probably a majority of American adults lol
 
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