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Our Z is planning to resume training on r sides who have been on a crew this whole time.

No plan as of yet on how they will “reoccupy” with the trainees on EA. Still waiting to see if we’ll go back in for another recert to avoid the 120 mark.

More “keep the faith” and “soon” talk.
 
I believe a lot of the timeline is going to be dependent on what happens with the contractors. I know there’s at least 2 or 3 instructors at my facility who are older and don’t feel comfortable returning to work yet. Not to mention the RPOs. That could hold things up for awhile.
 
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I believe a lot of the timeline is going to be dependent on what happens with the contractors. I know there’s at least 2 or 3 instructors at my facility who are older and don’t feel comfortable returning to work yet. Not to mention the RPOs. That could hold things up for awhile.
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I’m a Z RPO (was before we were laid off for the time being) and we still don’t have clear return instructions. Our lead is still trying to figure out who can return to work and judging from that if more RPOs are needed.
 
My understanding is facilities must still send up a plan to on high and have enough PSS in the building prior to OJT. I am hoping that my facility will start classes earlier since we can easily socially distance in a conference room.

From the big email:

In collaboration with the Union, the Agency has authorized the resumption of OJT for employees currently in training and assigned a crew and presently working in the facility. After a sufficient inventory of the Personal Safety Supplies (PSS) as specified in the Operational Readiness Workforce Plan and OJT Resumption Plan has been received, the parties at the local level will submit a collaborative request to resume OJT to the GM/ARVP confirming the facility possesses the necessary PSS for employees. Once verified and approved, the facility will resume OJT for employees currently in training and that are assigned a crew and presently working in the facility.
 
So... There are D-side trainees who were were brought back for an over the shoulder around 100 days, and were subsequently recalled for training staffing. They currently work whatever they're certified on. At some point (likely after the R-side trainees that are working resume training) they will restart OJT for the rest of their D-side certs.

At that point, when they're willing to 'risk' training D-sides, what argument could be used to prevent full D-sides who were forced to hit 120 days from being recalled for fundamentally similar recert training? I need to go back and find that 120 day policy phrasing. I recall mention of lab requirements. Are contractors 100% necessary for that at centers, for a minimal session to tick the box?

Edit: wrong word, meant staffing in first sentence.
 
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FL747 said:
So... There are D-side trainees who were were brought back for an over the shoulder around 100 days, and were subsequently recalled for training. They currently work whatever they're certified on. At some point (likely after the R-side trainees that are working resume training) they will restart OJT for the rest of their D-side certs.

At that point, when they're willing to 'risk' training D-sides, what argument could be used to prevent full D-sides who were forced to hit 120 days from being recalled for fundamentally similar recert training? I need to go back and find that 120 day policy phrasing. I recall mention of lab requirements. Are contractors 100% necessary for that at centers, for a minimal session to tick the box?
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I’m not sure I understand the question, but from my knowledge it is a strict requirement that contracted remote pilots/ AT instructors be the ones to administer most if not all lab training. Now we all know how much or how little the contractors are used when running the scenarios, but it is still necessary that they are there to “tick the box.”

edit: this is pre covid though. Things could be completely different now
 
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I’m not sure I understand the question, but from my knowledge it is a strict requirement that contracted remote pilots/ AT instructors be the ones to administer most if not all lab training. Now we all know how much or how little the contractors are used when running the scenarios, but it is still necessary that they are there to “tick the box.”

edit: this is pre covid though. Things could be completely different now
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My facility uses faa instructors and contractors. they’ve even used CPC OJTs to fill in
 
Bravo Alpha said:
I’m not sure I understand the question, but from my knowledge it is a strict requirement that contracted remote pilots/ AT instructors be the ones to administer most if not all lab training. Now we all know how much or how little the contractors are used when running the scenarios, but it is still necessary that they are there to “tick the box.”
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I went back to an old post and found the specific wording: "Personnel who have not-worked an operational position for more than 120 days but less than 1 year must receive instructor-led, simulation training, and OJT prior to recertification. OJT hours must not exceed 50 percent of the target hours established for developmentals with no previous experience."

Maybe we'll get lucky and this edge case has actually been considered and prepared for. That seems unlikely, so I'd like to find the citation for exactly what is allowed/required for 'instructor-led, simulation training.' Even if it's written strictly, waivers were considered but not allowed for skipping or permitting the training altogether, but perhaps a more limited waiver might be approved?
 
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