Training hold

[BigEggplant]

Do you know if they just approved a waiver to have trainees brought back or everyone on EA.

My facility applied for a waiver for the people who are certified on CD to come back to assist with staffing to remain on 5/5, but not necessarily to train. The waiver was approved. They are on the schedule next pay period.

The folks certified on ground have been in the building the whole time, but are now going through sim refresher and training on local.

The high risk people are standing back and standing by.

 

[Shikaka]

Our management says the 5/5 we were on was due to decreased traffic and nothing to do with COVID... this supe is wrong 95% of the time but always so sure of himself...

 

[CF]

Our management says the 5/5 we were on was due to decreased traffic and nothing to do with COVID... all supes are wrong 95% of the time but always so sure of themselves...

ftfy

 

[Shikaka]

ftfy

 

[Termine]

Our management says the 5/5 we were on was due to decreased traffic and nothing to do with COVID... this supe is wrong 95% of the time but always so sure of himself...

Can confirm, as cases shot sky-high around Halloween we came off of 5/5 back to BWS. We need to be open those extra hours in the evening to talk to our one air carrier arrival!! And our winter traffic is dead as a doornail every year, so if we have any traffic at all that's "100% of normal" and reason to stay on BWS. Idiotic.

 

[FL747]

Not Here. I have all of my D sides and was about to go to radar class in March when we were sent home. we just got our waiver approved a couple weeks ago to bring back fully D-side certified developmentals. Yesterday was my first day back. we didnt have anyone with partial radar quals though.

Just verifying, you had been brought back to maintain currency before your first 120 day date, I assume? My partner was already up in R school when the sky fell, and wasn't allowed back in to prevent the lapse. She's really frustrated and I keep hoping to hear something hopeful from someone in a similar position. Sounds like you didn't make it all the way to lapse, though...

 

[penaltyvectors]

So I’ll preface this by saying I don’t personally believe RIFs are likely - however, I am morbidly curious about how they would actually work in the event they did happen. Would it be based on NATCA seniority, or current usefulness to the FAA? My facility has some 20-year CPC-ITs who haven’t started training, but we also have several AGs and Ds with a handful of scopes. Logically it would make zero sense to let go of the people with scopes, but it also seems insane to let go of a 20 year CPC just because he picked a bad time to transfer. Is there any sort of precedent or procedure for what they’d do? Again, I’m NOT expecting this to happen and not trying to stoke fears - just curious how it could even be done in any sort of equitable way.

 

[throwawayatc123]

So I’ll preface this by saying I don’t personally believe RIFs are likely - however, I am morbidly curious about how they would actually work in the event they did happen. Would it be based on NATCA seniority, or current usefulness to the FAA? My facility has some 20-year CPC-ITs who haven’t started training, but we also have several AGs and Ds with a handful of scopes. Logically it would make zero sense to let go of the people with scopes, but it also seems insane to let go of a 20 year CPC just because he picked a bad time to transfer. Is there any sort of precedent or procedure for what they’d do? Again, I’m NOT expecting this to happen and not trying to stoke fears - just curious how it could even be done in any sort of equitable way.

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/3350.2C.pdf

a. When the number of employees in any organization or occupation must be reduced, management shall make every reasonable effort to place surplus employees in other jobs or regions of the agency with the least possible interruption to their careers and personal lives.

b. Separation of employees by RIF shall take place only after all reasonable alternative actions have failed to solve the surplus problem. The RIF procedure shall be conducted in a fair and equitable manner without regard to race, color, religion, sex, age, national origin, marital status, political affiliation, physical handicap, participation or non-participation in a labor organization, personal favoritism, or sexual orientation. When conducting a RIF, the provisions of this order shall be used, in conjunction with, FPM Supplement 351-1, Reduction in Force, Departmental guidance, and union agreements, if applicable.

c. Some of the alternatives to conducting a RIF are: attrition, hiring freeze, promotion freeze, separation of employees on time limited appointments and other noncompeting employees; reimbursable details, encouragement of voluntary LWOP or change from full-time to part-time work schedule, or furlough rather than separation (only if it is likely that the employee can be recalled to work within a year).

Didn't read through the whole thing thoroughly but the actual list within 2152 jobs seems fairly vague (CPCITs vs devs). But like it says, RIF is only the last option after hiring freeze and furloughs. Plus voluntary reassignment to other duties, voluntary early retirement etc.

 

[32andBelow]

So I’ll preface this by saying I don’t personally believe RIFs are likely - however, I am morbidly curious about how they would actually work in the event they did happen. Would it be based on NATCA seniority, or current usefulness to the FAA? My facility has some 20-year CPC-ITs who haven’t started training, but we also have several AGs and Ds with a handful of scopes. Logically it would make zero sense to let go of the people with scopes, but it also seems insane to let go of a 20 year CPC just because he picked a bad time to transfer. Is there any sort of precedent or procedure for what they’d do? Again, I’m NOT expecting this to happen and not trying to stoke fears - just curious how it could even be done in any sort of equitable way.

I think it’ll looks more like closing facilities to reduce capital costs

 

[Billybob]

Doesn’t matter, spike is over boys, be back in the fac at the end of the month.

 

[AR]

So I’ll preface this by saying I don’t personally believe RIFs are likely - however, I am morbidly curious about how they would actually work in the event they did happen. Would it be based on NATCA seniority, or current usefulness to the FAA? My facility has some 20-year CPC-ITs who haven’t started training, but we also have several AGs and Ds with a handful of scopes. Logically it would make zero sense to let go of the people with scopes, but it also seems insane to let go of a 20 year CPC just because he picked a bad time to transfer. Is there any sort of precedent or procedure for what they’d do? Again, I’m NOT expecting this to happen and not trying to stoke fears - just curious how it could even be done in any sort of equitable way.

MNsalty, is that you?

 

[Spaceforce]

So I’ll preface this by saying I don’t personally believe RIFs are likely - however, I am morbidly curious about how they would actually work in the event they did happen. Would it be based on NATCA seniority, or current usefulness to the FAA? My facility has some 20-year CPC-ITs who haven’t started training, but we also have several AGs and Ds with a handful of scopes. Logically it would make zero sense to let go of the people with scopes, but it also seems insane to let go of a 20 year CPC just because he picked a bad time to transfer. Is there any sort of precedent or procedure for what they’d do? Again, I’m NOT expecting this to happen and not trying to stoke fears - just curious how it could even be done in any sort of equitable way.

I’m sorry you said logically while describing the FAA and I couldn’t read any more.

 

[Phillytroll69]

I’m sorry you said logically while describing the FAA and I couldn’t read any more.

Tlr
Voluntary eligible requirements
Academy freeze/natural retirements
Fill all admin positions with thoe qualified and willing
Trim based on seniority, starting at bottom.
Military time counts

 

[DealCity]

Fighting for job security is the absolute bare minimum for the union, which is why they’ll happily say that the FAA has discussed RIF: it’s a “great look” for them to trainees at a time when they’re well aware they’ve kicked trainees to the curb.

Realistically of course they’ve had their certifications delayed by a year+ while losing the relevant in-band raises, TSP contributions, interest, and peace of mind that come with progressing through training... Even if you accept that placing them on EA was necessary, there’s no reason trainees couldn’t have been back in buildings by late summer.

But hey, at least the CPC’s don’t have to deal with being around people who know less than they do during the only half of the pay period they’re working, and the trainees will get their raises and job security “eventually.”

In solidarity,

 

[ClearanceClarence]

Fighting for job security is the absolute bare minimum for the union, which is why they’ll happily say that the FAA has discussed RIF: it’s a “great look” for them to trainees at a time when they’re well aware they’ve kicked trainees to the curb.

Realistically of course they’ve had their certifications delayed by a year+ while losing the relevant in-band raises, TSP contributions, interest, and peace of mind that come with progressing through training... Even if you accept that placing them on EA was necessary, there’s no reason trainees couldn’t have been back in buildings by late summer.

But hey, at least the CPC’s don’t have to deal with being around people who know less than they do during the only half of the pay period they’re working, and the trainees will get their raises and job security “eventually.”

In solidarity,

bUt tHeY’Ve gOtTeN An 8 mOnTh fReE VaCaTiOn

 

[Billybob]

bUt tHeY’Ve gOtTeN An 8 mOnTh fReE VaCaTiOn

This is what chaps my ass the most. ItS fReE mOnEy like nah dude it’s 49k/yr for me to sit around doing nothing when I could be making 3 times that

 

[32andBelow]

This is what chaps my ass the most. ItS fReE mOnEy like nah dude it’s 49k/yr for me to sit around doing nothing when I could be making 3 times that

Yah but they would happily sit at home for 150 a year

 

[SlightDeviation]

What I love is that at my Z we’ve gone back to 5/2 simply so we can support holiday leave that people bid. We’re gonna send trainees home for 8 plus months for “safety” but we’re gonna put all that at risk so CPCs dont bitch about not getting their bid leave times. Fuck that and fuck your leave. Why the hell do we have to sacrifice months of pay and career progression but cpcs can’t sacrifice a few days of leave they bid?

Im fine with going back to regular schedules for leave but the moment that decision was made for the purpose we should have all been brought back in. Im not stupid so i wont be leaving natca but if i knew it wouldnt have a negative impact on my career i’d be done.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

This is what chaps my ass the most. ItS fReE mOnEy like nah dude it’s 49k/yr for me to sit around doing nothing when I could be making 3 times that

That’s you assuming you will check out, better hope the people at your “Z” don’t figure out who you are and out you, or the old guard will never check you out now.

 

[Phillyman2633]

Yah but they would happily sit at home for 150 a year