Government Shutdown

[Shikaka]

So hypothetically struggling businesses should pay everyone to stay at home? Those cheap ass business owners are on the brink of collapse. The economy is in complete shambles despite whatever wallstreet or Trump will tell you. Do you have any idea how much it costs to deal with legal bullshit? Small businesses can't afford to pay for a full time legal team to fight the frivolous bullshit lawsuits, let alone any settlements since it is usually a lot easier to just pay to make it go away. The only businesses that could survive are the too big to fail ones you hate so much. Steve the restaurant owner or Janelle the boutique owner would just have to shut their doors. Also, you hate capitalism but it has provided everything you have in your life today. You guys love to talk about people voting against their best interests but you guys constantly vote against the economic system that has lifted the most people out of poverty and provided the largest increases to the average man's quality of life and no other system has ever come close.

As mentioned above, small businesses, aka the backbone of America, would shutter en masse. Millions of job losses would result. The wealth gap would grow even wider. You don't even necessarily have to win the lawsuit to file it. There is so much damage done simply by the filing of the lawsuit in the first place. Like I said, it's often times easier to just pay the bribe and settle than it is to actually fight a lawsuit, even though we all know it's bullshit.

The small businesses that are shutdown and already being destroyed? This liability issue has nothing to do with small businesses. they're already shuttered or out of business.

Mapping the uneven recovery of America's small businesses

Geography appears to play an important part in a small business's recovery, with San Francisco, New Orleans and Honolulu most affected.

www.weforum.org

I am 100% sure this is aimed at the Amazon warehouse workers and Wal-Mart employees. I would happily see either of those businesses go under.

 

[TermLimits]

Uh it’s called insurance.

Insurance for what? Business insurance or umbrella insurance doesn’t cover lawsuits for illness caused by other patrons.

You can go eat in a plexiglass cubicle with a hazmat suit on and still get corona. How is the business liable for that?

 

[CF]

GTFO. Do you really think it is a good idea to subject businesses to frivolous lawsuits because a customer or employee claims they didn't do enough to mitigate their risk of getting covid? Everyone knows covid is out there. If you can't risk getting it, stay locked in your house until it is over but you can't hold someone else accountable if you happen to get covid and end up having complications/die just because you may have caught it at work or the grocery store. No one is forced to work somewhere or go anywhere with a gun to their head. If you don't like how someone is conducting business, don't go there. Don't like the way your employer is handling the situation? Quit and get a different job. I'm *this close* to saying fuck it, if you can't beat 'em join 'em. If I didn't hate where I'm at and wanted to advance my career, I probably already would have given the flight surgeon a call and secured that fat boy leave. But imo it's a bad optic and my moral compass gets in the way sometimes.

So your take is that republicans are worried about frivolous lawsuits? Seriously? Lol.

If the businesses are guilty of dangerous or negligent conduct they should be held accountable. That’s what the courts are for.

 

[Shikaka]

So your take is that republicans are worried about frivolous lawsuits? Seriously? Lol.

If the businesses are guilty of dangerous or negligent conduct they should be held accountable. That’s what the courts are for.

They don't understand that lawsuits require evidence of negligence otherwise they're tossed out.

 

[32andBelow]

Insurance for what? Business insurance or umbrella insurance doesn’t cover lawsuits for illness caused by other patrons.

You can go eat in a plexiglass cubicle with a hazmat suit on and still get corona. How is the business liable for that?

Employee disability insurance

 

[Acquired Taste]

They don't understand that lawsuits require evidence of negligence otherwise they're tossed out.

Oh you mean negligence like they didn't require masks to be worn or they didn't have little markers on the ground that indicated what 6 ft of separation were? Or maybe negligence like Jeff had a little cough all day and the manager didn't send him home. Libs are so compassionate and empathetic to everyone except small business owners but I bet they'd be singing a different tune if it was them paying legal fees to fight a bullshit money grab attempt.

 

[TermLimits]

Employee disability insurance

Illness ≠ Disability

If that were the case a lot of us would be sick more so than our recurring scheduled diseases

People get diagnosed with cancer and they aren’t disabled claiming benefits from their company. That’s a medical condition just like COVID. Falls under medical insurance which is provided to all full time employees.

 

[32andBelow]

Illness ≠ Disability

If that were the case a lot of us would be sick more so than our recurring scheduled diseases

If you can’t sue for the flu then why can you sue for the Covid then?

 

[Dousand24]

Str8 vigilantism bro. If you get wronged, SUMMARY EXECUTION. New arbitration rep is Robocop

Judge Dredd***

 

[TermLimits]

If you can’t sue for the flu then why can you sue for the Covid then?

This is precisely what we are discussing... did you forget?

Lefties want to provide a gateway to sue for COVID against businesses and employers. Right now, you can’t sue against an employer unless it’s gross negligence (completely different set of laws). If they are working in a confirmed COVID contact job like hospitals they must be provided proper PPE. Failure to do so would most likely be gross negligence

 

[Shikaka]

Oh you mean negligence like they didn't require masks to be worn or they didn't have little markers on the ground that indicated what 6 ft of separation were? Or maybe negligence like Jeff had a little cough all day and the manager didn't send him home. Libs are so compassionate and empathetic to everyone except small business owners but I bet they'd be singing a different tune if it was them paying legal fees to fight a bullshit money grab attempt.

Ohh you're a partisan like 32andBelow, natural enemies in the wild!!!

I mean negligence as in not following guidance that THE REST OF THE FUCKING KNOWN WORLD is following.

Like shit dude...not that hard..

I fight a bullshit money grab year around April 15th, still ok with paying some taxes.

Illness ≠ Disability

In terms of insurance purposes, this is wrong.

 

[32andBelow]

This is precisely what we are discussing... did you forget?

Lefties want to provide a gateway to sue for COVID against businesses and employers. Right now, you can’t sue against an employer unless it’s gross negligence (completely different set of laws). If they are working in a confirmed COVID contact job like hospitals they must be provided proper PPE. Failure to do so would most likely be gross negligence

No. Mitch wants a special law saying you can’t. The dems bill would just not address it. Which would be stays quo. No? I haven’t heard of any businesses shutting down because of Covid liability.

 

[TermLimits]

Ohh you're a partisan like 32andBelow, natural enemies in the wild!!!

I mean negligence as in not following guidance that THE REST OF THE FUCKING KNOWN WORLD is following.

Like shit dude...not that hard..

I fight a bullshit money grab year around April 15th, still ok with paying some taxes.


In terms of insurance purposes, this is wrong.

I was trying to keep it easy for some with true disabilities to understand.

Yes some illnesses are a disability, they’re lifelong and impact the way people must live their lives. But how does a virus with flu like symptoms with a lower mortality rate greatly impact your ability to work beyond the 14 day staycation? It doesn’t...

People go about their life with asymptomatic COVID while others have symptoms and are bedridden. At the end of the day, they all get better (or die in 0.26% of cases).

 

[TermLimits]

No. Mitch wants a special law saying you can’t. The dems bill would just not address it. Which would be stays quo. No? I haven’t heard of any businesses shutting down because of Covid liability.

They are shutting down because governors imposing idiotic restrictions threaten them with fines, which would be a liability for not following rules.

 

[Shikaka]

I was trying to keep it easy for some with true disabilities to understand.

Yes some illnesses are a disability, they’re lifelong and impact the way people must live their lives. But how does a virus with flu like symptoms with a lower mortality rate greatly impact your ability to work beyond the 14 day staycation? It doesn’t...

People go about their life with asymptomatic COVID while others have symptoms and are bedridden. At the end of the day, they all get better (or die in 0.26% of cases).

And yet none of the dribble you said is either relevant or true.

 

[32andBelow]

They are shutting down because governors imposing idiotic restrictions threaten them with fines, which would be a liability for not following rules.

Yah. But none of the ones are allowed to be open have closed for liability. So what’s your point?

 

[TermLimits]

And yet none of the dribble you said is either relevant or true.

Show me where there are lifelong debilitating effects of COVID. Seems relevant since we are discussing the topic of disabilities

 

[Acquired Taste]

Ohh you're a partisan like 32andBelow, natural enemies in the wild!!!

I mean negligence as in not following guidance that THE REST OF THE FUCKING KNOWN WORLD is following.

Like shit dude...not that hard..

I fight a bullshit money grab year around April 15th, still ok with paying some taxes.


In terms of insurance purposes, this is wrong.

Don't ever compare me to that guy bro, I'm pretty sure he's on the spectrum and just hasn't been tested yet. (MJ please don't ban) I'm a staunch libertarian who believes in the constitution and hates both the left and right and all of their hypocrisy. I also hate scammers but like I said, being a good person and doing the right thing only hurts myself so might as well join em at this point. Also, everyone loves to complain about why can't I train? I said it months ago... the FAA would be training across the board right now if they weren't worried about the lawsuits and showing ample evidence they aren't being negligent letting all those trainees in the building. Same reason they keep doing the cleanings even though they really don't make a difference at all. At least they'll have a solid case in court when someone dies I guess.

 

[32andBelow]

Don't ever compare me to that guy bro, I'm pretty sure he's on the spectrum and just hasn't been tested yet. (MJ please don't ban) I'm a staunch libertarian who believes in the constitution and hates both the left and right and all of their hypocrisy. I also hate scammers but like I said, being a good person and doing the right thing only hurts myself so might as well join em at this point. Also, everyone loves to complain about why can't I train? I said it months ago... the FAA would be training across the board right now if they weren't worried about the lawsuits and showing ample evidence they aren't being negligent letting all those trainees in the building. Same reason they keep doing the cleanings even though they really don't make a difference at all. At least they'll have a solid case in court when someone dies I guess.

Blue is the best tasting crayon. Change my mind

 

[TermLimits]

Yah. But none of the ones are allowed to be open have closed for liability. So what’s your point?

I think Mitch is trying to skirt the restrictions by giving businesses an out