2 Jets collide at HOU. What happened?

[HurryUpandWait]

The Ground Controller was in training, so that adds another set of eyes that "didnt see a thing". Apparently the Hawker was also told to Lineup & Wait on RWY 22.

The system is severely broken. There were no drug/alcohol tests. There was no investigation if all these controllers who didnt see a thing were playing on their phones. There is an extreme indifference in the NAS and in ATC right now. No one on ANY level is willing to address the elephants in the room. A junior workforce full of poor controllers post Covid. Short staffing. 0 accountability culture. Theyre all at work the next day like nothing happened. Controllers arent even embarassed that they didnt have the situational awareness to catch and save would could have been a catastrophe, instead they're indignant that the pilot sincerely thought he was in the right and expressed that on frequency.

Everyone knows that there are really bad near misses every week in the NAS. You know about the ones at your facility that never made the news. There have been so many of them. "Its going to get worse before it gets worse." 100% right on. Couldnt have said it better. Brace.

How do we know there wasn’t an investigation afterwards or how do we know all these things didn’t happen?

Also, what ever happened in the AUS investigation?

 

[FlightOfTheShortGuy]

The Ground Controller was in training, so that adds another set of eyes that "didnt see a thing". Apparently the Hawker was also told to Lineup & Wait on RWY 22.

The system is severely broken. There were no drug/alcohol tests. There was no investigation if all these controllers who didnt see a thing were playing on their phones. There is an extreme indifference in the NAS and in ATC right now. No one on ANY level is willing to address the elephants in the room. A junior workforce full of poor controllers post Covid. Short staffing. 0 accountability culture. Theyre all at work the next day like nothing happened. Controllers arent even embarassed that they didnt have the situational awareness to catch and save would could have been a catastrophe, instead they're indignant that the pilot sincerely thought he was in the right and expressed that on frequency.

Everyone knows that there are really bad near misses every week in the NAS. You know about the ones at your facility that never made the news. There have been so many of them. "Its going to get worse before it gets worse." 100% right on. Couldnt have said it better. Brace.

If you are working Tuesday afternoon in a smaller tower environment you most likely have a decent amount of seniority.

 

[MJ]

How do we know there wasn’t an investigation afterwards or how do we know all these things didn’t happen?

Of course there is an investigation... But unhinged rants don't trouble themselves with facts or sense. Just spew baby.

 

[Fat Porrey]

Sad but true brotha. Fact of the matter is a lot of the really terrible controllers simply do. not. care. And there's no accountability. The feelings over safety FAA is not doing well, not doing well at all....

Which begs the question…if FAA doesn’t care about safety, RAZE WEN?

 

[Raise when?]

Which begs the question…if FAA doesn’t care about safety, RAZE WEN?

Maybe in another decade, once more BUE's actually realize ATC has turned into a minimum wage, dead end job. They're too busy right now self congratulating themselves for barely surpassing 100k (aka the new 50k), in 2023.....far too many controllers thinking they are upper crust east coast liberal elites when they are lower middle class paupers these days. Some of these poor boys still haven't even hit the fica cap.....

 

[Spoony90]

Maybe in another decade, once more BUE's actually realize ATC has turned into a minimum wage, dead end job. They're too busy right now self congratulating themselves for barely surpassing 100k (aka the new 50k), in 2023.....far too many controllers thinking they are upper crust east coast liberal elites when they are lower middle class paupers these days. Some of these poor boys still haven't even hit the fica cap.....

Don’t forget no career progression cause NCEPT

 

[POINTOUT]

Maybe in another decade, once more BUE's actually realize ATC has turned into a minimum wage, dead end job. They're too busy right now self congratulating themselves for barely surpassing 100k (aka the new 50k), in 2023.....far too many controllers thinking they are upper crust east coast liberal elites when they are lower middle class paupers these days. Some of these poor boys still haven't even hit the fica cap.....

I’ve hit the fica cap 4 pay periods ago and it’s still not fucking enough to put up with this shit. Raze wen

 

[Raise when?]

I’ve hit the fica cap 4 pay periods ago and it’s still not fucking enough to put up with this shit. Raze wen

Raze now, my brother 🫡

Need the rest of the BUE’s to get on board and stand strong to demand it, however.

 

[CoffeeIV]

If you are working Tuesday afternoon in a smaller tower environment you most likely have a decent amount of seniority.

I've seen two incidents closer than the AUS incident and it was the most senior controllers at the facility involved in both.. This hate on "post covid" checkouts is hilarious. Bunch of boomers trying to act like they didn't cause the 7110.65 to be as large as it is.

 

[Raise when?]

I've seen two incidents closer than the AUS incident and it was the most senior controllers at the facility involved in both.. This hate on "post covid" checkouts is hilarious. Bunch of boomers trying to act like they didn't cause the 7110.65 to be as large as it is.

The data doesn’t look good on post covid checkouts brotha. Your anecdotal evidence isn’t supported by the data 📊 …

 

[rugbydog11]

The data doesn’t look good on post covid checkouts brotha. Your anecdotal evidence isn’t supported by the data 📊 …

Both boomers and COVID checkouts suck. And also the ones in between

 

[Raise when?]

Both boomers and COVID checkouts suck. And also the ones in between

I’m gonna become one of dem Kia Boyz if I dont get a raise soon

 

[HurryUpandWait]

The data doesn’t look good on post covid checkouts brotha. Your anecdotal evidence isn’t supported by the data 📊 …

What is this data? Post the link

 

[Raise when?]

 

[Somenewguy]

 

[blarg]

Federal taxes don't actually pay for anything at all 😱

 

[CoffeeIV]

Arguing for a raise after nearly killing people. Just Raise when? things.

 

[Whiskey Charlie]

Arguing for a raise after nearly killing people. Just Raise when? things.

That’s like saying auto workers shouldn’t get raises because the cars they are making are faulty on a rare occasion which could lead to a crash. In reality, flying is still safer than driving a car.

 

[Flashy Vectors]

Arguing for a raise after nearly killing people. Just Raise when? things.

This incident wasn’t because of controller error?

 

[Raise when?]

Arguing for a raise after nearly killing people. Just Raise when? things.

it's all interconnected. higher pay = better applicants, the ablility to wash worse trainees out.

as it is now, it's a cycle of burnout, 6 day weeks, the FAA making it impossible to wash people due to their own ineptitude, and low pay and apathy.