2025 Federal Pay Raise

[ClearanceClarence]

Who makes 129 ? I’d be mad too

Base pay? Pretty much everyone that works at a level 8 or 9 facility and below.

 

[Spoony90]

I love seeing yall defend politicians that don’t give a fuck about you and will bury you and your family to line their pockets.

 

[Nothanks]

Base pay? Pretty much everyone that works at a level 8 or 9 facility and below.

Wonder how many had the chance at higher levels and couldn’t cut it but are still angry

 

[RadarRick]

Wonder how many had the chance at higher levels and couldn’t cut it but are still angry

Probably not many because nobody can transfer

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

You’re all retarded.

 

[Expectvectors24]

Probably not many because nobody can transfer

ZOA, A80, PHL and MIA are all options for literally everyone.

 

[RadarRick]

ZOA, A80, PHL and MIA are all options for literally everyone.

Not really. Go look at how many people put in for those places v how many got picked up.

Theres an entire generation of controllers with about 8-10 years in who have realistically not had a chance to transfer in their career yet, which is rapidly approaching halfway over. That’s a failure, full stop.

Most of the higher up NATCA people have been off the floor these people’s entire careers. They have absolutely no idea what a junior controllers life is like in 2024, getting assigned to a center in an expensive AF city, and then hardly getting to train due to staffing. When they do get a few D sides, they’re now being assigned weekly OT even though they can’t work a real sector alone, because it makes the FAA look better to have a fake number there, rather than admit we actually only have 5 controllers on this shift. Now these people have certified and put in their time, and they have absolutely no chance to get out and move on w their life. But sure….they're just lazy and don’t want to go to ZOA or MIA. Joke system somehow agreed upon and ran by this joke union.

 

[SquawkHijack]

People like you expecting him to negotiate when no contract is open for negotiation. Good one. Gloss over every time a republican president has fucked unions. Reagan, Bush, Trump.

Things Biden did during his presidency for workers:
- Banned noncompete clauses.
- Protected over 350,000 union workers' pension after it went belly up through no fault of the workers. (Central States Pension Fund)
- Paid sick days and other benefits for railworkers.

Just a few from a quick google search. What have Republicans done that benefited unions? You dont care though, if it doesn't benefit you it doesnt matter. Typical Trumper.

Our contract wasn’t open for Trump either so that’s kind of a moot point that he supposedly hurt us somehow. And let’s not leave out that Biden killed like 11,000 union jobs when the pipeline got nixxed week 1 after inauguration. Also I love how you Biden butt-sniffers actually think that senile bag of fuck conscientiously did anything the last four years. Typical Libtard.

 

[ATC Zero]

Not really. Go look at how many people put in for those places v how many got picked up.

Theres an entire generation of controllers with about 8-10 years in who have realistically not had a chance to transfer in their career yet, which is rapidly approaching halfway over. That’s a failure, full stop.

Most of the higher up NATCA people have been off the floor these people’s entire careers. They have absolutely no idea what a junior controllers life is like in 2024, getting assigned to a center in an expensive AF city, and then hardly getting to train due to staffing. When they do get a few D sides, they’re now being assigned weekly OT even though they can’t work a real sector alone, because it makes the FAA look better to have a fake number there, rather than admit we actually only have 5 controllers on this shift. Now these people have certified and put in their time, and they have absolutely no chance to get out and move on w their life. But sure….they're just lazy and don’t want to go to ZOA or MIA. Joke system somehow agreed upon and ran by this joke union.

💯 NATCA so worried about fatigue, equipment, all the other BS 114’s be on, that when it comes down to it if we don’t have staffing none of that shit matters.
NATCA left the table a looong time ago when it comes to pay, benefits and working conditions. I think it would be safe to say some have been waiting 15+ years on a transfer, failed system.
All of those people who have been screwed over can’t wait to hit that 25 year mark or age 50 so they can finally move and not give the agency any more of their time. Thing will get worse than they are right now for anyone that thinks these CWRG numbers are the magic fix. If we could even get to 90% on the old staffing number it would have been a great career not these numbers are only going to keep people stuck longer while the buildup just leads into the wave up of retirements.

 

[ChuckNovember]

What coffee is missing is that the cost of housing has gone up 45% nationally which is leaving controllers at 9/lower facilities in HCOL areas unable to buy a home where they won't get shot / have to drive over an hour to get to work.

There are two classes of controllers; those who were hired pre-sequester and are the benefactors of the ~45% jump in housing prices since 2019 and those who were hired later and will never be able to own a house in a good school system within an hour commute of work. The trouble is the decision makers in NATCA almost entirely fall into category A and have difficulty conceptualizing how drastically different their coworkers have it.

P.S. why the hell were we ever proud of a 1.6% raise when the Fed has been targeting 2% inflation for decades?

 

[AB19]

I agree Joe Biden should limit home prices

 

[Move78]

Not really. Go look at how many people put in for those places v how many got picked up.

Theres an entire generation of controllers with about 8-10 years in who have realistically not had a chance to transfer in their career yet, which is rapidly approaching halfway over. That’s a failure, full stop.

Who’s fault is this

 

[Soul_Controller]

What coffee is missing is that the cost of housing has gone up 45% nationally which is leaving controllers at 9/lower facilities in HCOL areas unable to buy a home where they won't get shot / have to drive over an hour to get to work.

Millienials gentrified Brooklyn and Compton and yall out here scared

 

[ChuckNovember]

Millienials gentrified Brooklyn and Compton and yall out here scared

cute.

 

[CoffeeIV]

P.S. why the hell were we ever proud of a 1.6% raise when the Fed has been targeting 2% inflation for decades?

Hey look another person ignoring half the raises they received. No wonder you cant afford a house.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

I agree Joe Biden should limit home prices

The ignorance by some people regarding basic economics is baffling sometimes. If you have a strong, healthy economy, home prices would have remained in reach for far more Americans. When government spending fueled inflation spirals out of control, it forces the fed to raise interest rates, which in turns incentivizes people who locked in at 2-3% mortgage rates to never sell. You then have a housing shortage, driving the prices of the few that do go to market through the roof.

 

[PooseMaGoose]

Hey look another person ignoring half the raises they received. No wonder you cant afford a house.

You still haven't addressed the point somebody else brought up... that is to say if what you are saying is true (pay has kept up with inflation), then why is the bottom of every pay band not reflecting that whatsoever?

I'll answer it for you because you are too stupid and/or too proud to do it yourself. It is because the raises intended to pace with inflation have NOT done so.

 

[ChuckNovember]

Hey look another person ignoring half the raises they received. No wonder you cant afford a house.

Locked in at 2.99% in HCOL; my home equity has surpassed my TSP. The difference between you and I is that I recognize how bad that is for the people I'm training.

 

[32andBelow]

Losing the 1.6 raises when you change levels def needs to be addressed. You should never lose a step once you are hired.

 

[ATC Zero]

Losing the 1.6 raises when you change levels def needs to be addressed. You should never lose a step once you are hired.

Exactly. Basically after a certain point it’s not worth transferring unless it’s a 10,11,12. Because bottom of that band isn’t attractive otherwise.