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nbk14

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Since the experienced bid asks for minimum 52 weeks experience--what's the quickest a national air guard have to accumulate 52?
 

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What are you asking? The quickest? 52 weeks.....

Oh, assuming you were reserve (part time) so you probably wouldn't be working 52 weeks straight.

I'm understanding it as, if you enlisted full time, you'd have to fulfill a number of years before you can apply to the faa.
 

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Oh, assuming you were reserve (part time) so you probably wouldn't be working 52 weeks straight.

I'm understanding it as, if you enlisted full time, you'd have to fulfill a number of years before you can apply to the faa.
It's a finnicky question. It truly depends on how HR computates 52 weeks now. When I got checked out, it was simply if I held 52 weeks of my certification. When I eventually applied again, it was if you had enough hours (2040 hours) to fulfill the 52 weeks. Aka. A drill weekend counted as a 20 hour period, a ST or AT day counted as 8 hour period. If they still do it the later way, it takes a while
 

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It's a finnicky question. It truly depends on how HR computates 52 weeks now. When I got checked out, it was simply if I held 52 weeks of my certification. When I eventually applied again, it was if you had enough hours (2040 hours) to fulfill the 52 weeks. Aka. A drill weekend counted as a 20 hour period, a ST or AT day counted as 8 hour period. If they still do it the later way, it takes a while

I feel like it would also depend on your OJT and extra days they can give you too. My unit gives 6 months of maintenance training to get you fully certified in aircraft repair. Other units may do a lot less, some more. Depends on the career field, budget and manning, for mine anyway. I know people in Intel or flight crew that are essentially AGRs for years, different circumstances though.
 

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I feel like it would also depend on your OJT and extra days they can give you too. My unit gives 6 months of maintenance training to get you fully certified in aircraft repair. Other units may do a lot less, some more. Depends on the career field, budget and manning, for mine anyway. I know people in Intel or flight crew that are essentially AGRs for years, different circumstances though.
Your OJT in air traffic is spent getting a certification. Any extra days there after are not MEST days and are typically out of squadron budget. You can probably expect somewhere around 30 of those (about 240 hours worth)
 

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Since the experienced bid asks for minimum 52 weeks experience--what's the quickest a national air guard have to accumulate 52?
Apply to a contract tower or take a contract job overseas. If you’re a traditional guardsman, that’s your best option. Or you could deploy doing air traffic but if you prefer not to deploy, contract tower is the way to go. That was my dilemma
 

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I am reserve ATC, I was given approximately 7 months to rate in a fixed tower. Then I would require 52 weeks after rating. Easiest way to do that is pick up the dod position in the facility which you rated in then apply experienced after you have the 52 weeks.
 

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Can you go to an FAA enroute facility after you get your 52 weeks experience?
From what I have seen on the lists of the prior experience, no. I’ve been lurking forums since 2013ish, the year I got rated as an AF controller, and I can’t recall any lists having any centers. I do know a guy who got ZUA, but they were from there, requested it, and went direct.
 

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Seriously though, are those 17 weeks at Fort Rucker, AL physically demanding? How come the AF only does 2.5 months of tech school?
 

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The only way I've seen enroute is to apply in the inexperienced bid, which you can waive the 5 Weeks of basic. I got enroute but choose to take the basic just in case FAA had different standard, so that I learn it their way. For military experience I've seen most get level 4-5 unless they have radar experience for up and down then they may get level 7.

Time is only for rated time so once you have rated in facility time starts then. I've also heard two different things from HR first being it is 52 weeks at one facility rated, second is cumulative rated time so six months rated at facility A and 6 months rated at facility B would meet the requirement.
 

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The only way I've seen enroute is to apply in the inexperienced bid, which you can waive the 5 Weeks of basic. I got enroute but choose to take the basic just in case FAA had different standard, so that I learn it their way. For military experience I've seen most get level 4-5 unless they have radar experience for up and down then they may get level 7.

Time is only for rated time so once you have rated in facility time starts then. I've also heard two different things from HR first being it is 52 weeks at one facility rated, second is cumulative rated time so six months rated at facility A and 6 months rated at facility B would meet the requirement.

I guess you can also eventually ask to transfer from tracon/tower to enroute?

If you started tech school in the military but haven't started a facility, you'd still fall under "no experience" right?
 

Cmsgthokage

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Prior Experience = 52 weeks of maintaining a facility certification. You don’t get ratings at tech school and just starting training at your facility doesn’t mean anything. I’ve seen tons start and never finish.
 

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It says here 72 days for tech training. ah well, I cant do AF anyway because you have to be full time.

I'm a little confused here. You're saying a ton of things that make it seem like you've done research, but apparently very poor research. I believe the 72 days is working days. Also, you dont have to be full time to be a controller in the air force.
 

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So if you want to be eligible for the prior experience bids you would have to go Guard/Reserve/Active duty.

All three of those choices will have you go to Basic Military Training (8.5 weeks I think) then technical training school (72 academic days) obviously full time.

For active duty you’ll have the 6 year contract, but will get the guaranteed amount of post certification time required and MORE.

I’m not reserve, but it sounds like you’ll get to your duty location and have a set amount of time as a “full time” military member to certify then afterwards you will only be part time. Part time being the 2 weekends out of the month and 2 weeks during summer or w.e.
The problem with that is it’ll take time to accumulate the 52 weeks of post certification and no one is sure how HR would calculate that. BUT you could apply to contract towers, though most require 6 months experience w/ a CTO.
 
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