Easiest facilities for every dollar/ hardest facilities for every dollar

Dousand24 said:

N90 is a joke

It is. The traffic is the easy part. The staffing is “so bad” yet they work hour on hour off and have an hour shove at the end of every shift. Most ppl are home half the day. During Covid 2+ hrs on 2+ hrs off? but the staffing…. The only thing that sucks is working with the same 10 ppl 6 days a week for 18 years and they just all start to go fucking nuts… oh and shit hole Nassau county lol

Spaceforce said:

Can you post all tracons numbers? And where did you get your traffic count numbers

It's from TCIP for terminal and OpsNet for centers. Total facility ops divided by current CPCs

corn4ahead said:

It’s a nice, high-level overview. But, raw traffic data can be very misleading.

1. Complexity makes the job “more difficult” than volume.
2. You really have to divide it up into areas of Zs and large TRACONs. All areas are obviously not created equal.

1. Which is why they have the TCI but it really needs to be modernized. Until they find a way to grade the hi and bye overflight vs the guy that deviated 3 different buildups and then went nordo there will never be a true way to measure complexity.
2. Something that will also never happen because it cause friction in house which is no bueno from the FAA and NATCA side

woodfinx said:

It's from TCIP for terminal and OpsNet for centers. Total facility ops divided by current CPCs

??

Yea we need to account for complexity but it’s subjective but there’s probably a consensus opinion lol

love seeing N90 exposed!

Spaceforce said:

Can you post all tracons numbers? And where did you get your traffic count numbers

Also by TOP (time on position) the facilities rank as follows...data from the Staffing Snapshot Tableau (12 month rolling period, average per shift per CPC)

MOST T.O.P

LEAST T.O.P

woodfinx said:

Also by TOP (time on position) the facilities rank as follows...data from the Staffing Snapshot Tableau (12 month rolling period, average per shift per CPC)

MOST T.O.P

Tower Only 1. OGG - 5.2hr 2. PSC - 5.1hr 3. MCO - 5.1hr 4. PAE - 5hr 5. SEA - 5hr

Tower/Radar 1. BGR - 5.2hr 2. EUG - 5.2hr 3. ROC - 5.2hr 4. RST - 5.1hr 5. AVP - 5.1hr

TRACON 1. U90 - 5.1hr 2. S46 - 4.8hr 3. NCT - 4.5hr 4. P80 - 4.4hr 5. F11 - 4.4hr

Enroute 1. ZLC - 4.4hr 2. ZUA - 4.3hr 3. ZAB - 4hr 4. ZME - 4hr 5. ZSE - 4hr

LEAST T.O.P

Tower Only 1. ARB - 3.2hr 2. LAF - 3.4hr 3. MFD - 3.5hr 4. FPR - 3.5hr 5. SFB - 3.5hr

Tower/Radar 1. BHM - 3.7hr 2. PHL - 3.8hr 3. CLE - 3.8hr 4. MYR - 3.8hr 5. MGM - 3.9hr

TRACON 1. M93 - 3.3hr 2. D21 - 3.4hr 3. N90 - 3.7hr 4. P31 - 3.7hr 5. SCT - 3.8hr

Enroute 1. ZDC - 3.2hr 2. ZMP - 3.4hr 3. ZNY - 3.4hr 4. ZDV - 3.5hr 5. ZOB - 3.5hr

Where can one find the "Staffing Snapshot Tableau?"

The fact that BNA and CVG make the same shows you how fucking stupid the current system is.

Working on the west coast for 14 years with a 2+20 commute each way was hard and ultimately not worth it. Now I make less much and drive 20 minutes to work.

Acquired Taste said:

Where can one find the "Staffing Snapshot Tableau?"

my.faa.gov/org/linebusiness/ato/ops.html

It's under business acumen... Must be on the intranet

woodfinx said:

Also by TOP (time on position) the facilities rank as follows...data from the Staffing Snapshot Tableau (12 month rolling period, average per shift per CPC)

MOST T.O.P

Tower Only 1. OGG - 5.2hr 2. PSC - 5.1hr 3. MCO - 5.1hr 4. PAE - 5hr 5. SEA - 5hr

Tower/Radar 1. BGR - 5.2hr 2. EUG - 5.2hr 3. ROC - 5.2hr 4. RST - 5.1hr 5. AVP - 5.1hr

TRACON 1. U90 - 5.1hr 2. S46 - 4.8hr 3. NCT - 4.5hr 4. P80 - 4.4hr 5. F11 - 4.4hr

Enroute 1. ZLC - 4.4hr 2. ZUA - 4.3hr 3. ZAB - 4hr 4. ZME - 4hr 5. ZSE - 4hr

LEAST T.O.P

Tower Only 1. ARB - 3.2hr 2. LAF - 3.4hr 3. MFD - 3.5hr 4. FPR - 3.5hr 5. SFB - 3.5hr

Tower/Radar 1. BHM - 3.7hr 2. PHL - 3.8hr 3. CLE - 3.8hr 4. MYR - 3.8hr 5. MGM - 3.9hr

TRACON 1. M93 - 3.3hr 2. D21 - 3.4hr 3. N90 - 3.7hr 4. P31 - 3.7hr 5. SCT - 3.8hr

Enroute 1. ZDC - 3.2hr 2. ZMP - 3.4hr 3. ZNY - 3.4hr 4. ZDV - 3.5hr 5. ZOB - 3.5hr

I'm guess that's M98 as least for tracons.... and can confirm ?

GulfBravoPapa said:

I'm guess that's M98 as least for tracons.... and can confirm ?

Oops, yeah. Sorry.

Stop exposing my facility damnit!

woodfinx said:

Also by TOP (time on position) the facilities rank as follows...data from the Staffing Snapshot Tableau (12 month rolling period, average per shift per CPC)

MOST T.O.P

Tower Only 1. OGG - 5.2hr 2. PSC - 5.1hr 3. MCO - 5.1hr 4. PAE - 5hr 5. SEA - 5hr

Tower/Radar 1. BGR - 5.2hr 2. EUG - 5.2hr 3. ROC - 5.2hr 4. RST - 5.1hr 5. AVP - 5.1hr

TRACON 1. U90 - 5.1hr 2. S46 - 4.8hr 3. NCT - 4.5hr 4. P80 - 4.4hr 5. F11 - 4.4hr

Enroute 1. ZLC - 4.4hr 2. ZUA - 4.3hr 3. ZAB - 4hr 4. ZME - 4hr 5. ZSE - 4hr

LEAST T.O.P

Tower Only 1. ARB - 3.2hr 2. LAF - 3.4hr 3. MFD - 3.5hr 4. FPR - 3.5hr 5. SFB - 3.5hr

Tower/Radar 1. BHM - 3.7hr 2. PHL - 3.8hr 3. CLE - 3.8hr 4. MYR - 3.8hr 5. MGM - 3.9hr

TRACON 1. M98 - 3.3hr 2. D21 - 3.4hr 3. N90 - 3.7hr 4. P31 - 3.7hr 5. SCT - 3.8hr

Enroute 1. ZDC - 3.2hr 2. ZMP - 3.4hr 3. ZNY - 3.4hr 4. ZDV - 3.5hr 5. ZOB - 3.5hr

So if you cross reference this with the ops per CPC and then by salary correlated with cost of living do you get the country club list?

So ZOB - 7.4k ops per CPC, with 3.5 hours of TOP and level 12 pay in Ohio = country club?

How about they fix the enroute traffic count already. ZDV getting paid the same as ZLC or ZSE is ludicrous when they do more than the level 11 centers

CaptainObvious said:

How about they fix the enroute traffic count already. ZDV getting paid the same as ZLC or ZSE is ludicrous when they do more than the level 11 centers

ZDV is fucked up. It’s easy, and then insanely stupid when you get every airplane from the adjacent center in your airspace randomly.

They should really just close down TMU at that place and give that money to the controllers in the areas that actually make it work.

jdatc said:

So if you cross reference this with the ops per CPC and then by salary correlated with cost of living do you get the country club list?

So ZOB - 7.4k ops per CPC, with 3.5 hours of TOP and level 12 pay in Ohio = country club?

I wouldn't classify Ohio as a country club.

Dontbotherme said:

A80 takes overflights every single day.

We reroute 95+% of overflights around A80 and I have, on several occasions, had A80 try to get me to reroute the little guys forcing them to fly through weather to keep them clear of their airspace. That being said it does seem to have improved a bit in more recent years.

jdatc said:

So if you cross reference this with the ops per CPC and then by salary correlated with cost of living do you get the country club list?

So ZOB - 7.4k ops per CPC, with 3.5 hours of TOP and level 12 pay in Ohio = country club?

There are no country clubs in Ohio, only goat ranches.