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[Dontbotherme]

We reroute 95+% of overflights around A80 and I have, on several occasions, had A80 try to get me to reroute the little guys forcing them to fly through weather to keep them clear of their airspace. That being said it does seem to have improved a bit in more recent years.

So you’re telling me that you’re upset that inside of 40 miles from ATL, that does roughly 1,000 satellite operations on average a day in chopped up airspace which you center controllers clearly don’t understand, rerouting an aircraft is too difficult for ZTL to send them to the Athens or Columbus sectors of A80? I figured based on the overtakes on the approach wall ZTL should be more concerned about using speed control with jets landing ATL than having to reroute a few overflights a shift, but then again that’s why you get paid the big bucks…

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

Facility ID	Total Ops	Tower Ops	Radar Ops
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A90	770713​	0​	770713​
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ABI	112932​	45795​	67137​
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ACK	60750​	60750​	0​
ACT	183100​	83254​	99846​
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AGS	116444​	41036​	75408​
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ARB	87129​	87129​	0​
ARR	75875​	75875​	0​
ASE	105031​	50225​	54806​
ATL	724329​	724329​	0​
AUS	689758​	270762​	418996​
AVL	164601​	79581​	85020​
AVP	110045​	39863​	70182​
AZO	364184​	53784​	310400​
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BED	125565​	125565​	0​
BFI	172924​	172924​	0​
BFL	182292​	91977​	90315​
BGM	39865​	17013​	22852​
BGR	103814​	43842​	59972​
BHM	273665​	102371​	171294​
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BJC	264357​	264357​	0​
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BOS	396393​	396393​	0​
BPT	19088​	19088​	0​
BTR	145216​	63975​	81241​
BTV	195981​	102660​	93321​
BUF	202898​	67967​	134931​
BUR	191182​	191182​	0​
BWI	227697​	227697​	0​
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CCR	112496​	112496​	0​
CDW	139961​	139961​	0​
CHA	197637​	92075​	105562​
CHS	314705​	124851​	189854​
CID	97857​	43784​	54073​
CKB	67137​	15041​	52096​
CLE	378414​	106814​	271600​
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CMI	110286​	55781​	54505​
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DEN	612246​	612246​	0​
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F11	684919​	0​	684919​
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ILM	185216​	81715​	103501​
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MKE	299956​	91388​	208568​
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So ZTL works 15% more traffic than the second busiest center? Holy crap.

So you’re telling me that you’re upset that inside of 40 miles from ATL, that does roughly 1,000 satellite operations on average a day in chopped up airspace which you center controllers clearly don’t understand, rerouting an aircraft is too difficult for ZTL to send them to the Athens or Columbus sectors of A80? I figured based on the overtakes on the approach wall ZTL should be more concerned about using speed control with jets landing ATL than having to reroute a few overflights a shift, but then again that’s why you get paid the big bucks…

In our defense, we were never taught how A80 airspace is subdivided (And we absolutely should be)

 

[boggy]

So you’re telling me that you’re upset that inside of 40 miles from ATL, that does roughly 1,000 satellite operations on average a day in chopped up airspace which you center controllers clearly don’t understand, rerouting an aircraft is too difficult for ZTL to send them to the Athens or Columbus sectors of A80? I figured based on the overtakes on the approach wall ZTL should be more concerned about using speed control with jets landing ATL than having to reroute a few overflights a shift, but then again that’s why you get paid the big bucks…

Who said I was upset? Don't get your knickers in a twist.

 

[MKK]

Those poor people at zjx getting their ass kicked with 11 pay. No cip and no extra locality. Midwest Z’s just chillin and making bank. Sounds like the faa has it all figured out.

 

[TushingPin]

So you’re telling me that you’re upset that inside of 40 miles from ATL, that does roughly 1,000 satellite operations on average a day in chopped up airspace which you center controllers clearly don’t understand, rerouting an aircraft is too difficult for ZTL to send them to the Athens or Columbus sectors of A80? I figured based on the overtakes on the approach wall ZTL should be more concerned about using speed control with jets landing ATL than having to reroute a few overflights a shift, but then again that’s why you get paid the big bucks…

Yes

 

[BDUB]

Now put the contract towers into the numbers as well and make this really interesting lol

 

[TushingPin]

Now put the contract towers into the numbers as well and make this really interesting lol

Like I said, CYS. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a facility that makes more $ per airplane lol

 

[woodfinx]

Now put the contract towers into the numbers as well and make this really interesting lol

This is just through November, not YTD like above...
Busiest FCTs
1. HWO - 253821
2. IWA - 243701
3. CHD - 194221
4. CRG - 172356
5. JRF - 170571

Slowest FCTs
1. BBG - 9099
2. HOB - 9688
3. IFP - 11209
4. LWB - 11635
5. CWA - 12337

 

[Bigfella]

So you’re telling me that you’re upset that inside of 40 miles from ATL, that does roughly 1,000 satellite operations on average a day in chopped up airspace which you center controllers clearly don’t understand, rerouting an aircraft is too difficult for ZTL to send them to the Athens or Columbus sectors of A80? I figured based on the overtakes on the approach wall ZTL should be more concerned about using speed control with jets landing ATL than having to reroute a few overflights a shift, but then again that’s why you get paid the big bucks…

Ah ya know, 96% success rate. #igavehimtherestriction #ijustsatdown

 

[BDUB]

This is just through November, not YTD like above...
Busiest FCTs
1. HWO - 253821
2. IWA - 243701
3. CHD - 194221
4. CRG - 172356
5. JRF - 170571

Slowest FCTs
1. BBG - 9099
2. HOB - 9688
3. IFP - 11209
4. LWB - 11635
5. CWA - 12337

Damn you got staffing levels too? ?

 

[RB]

This is just through November, not YTD like above...
Busiest FCTs
1. HWO - 253821
2. IWA - 243701
3. CHD - 194221
4. CRG - 172356
5. JRF - 170571

Slowest FCTs
1. BBG - 9099
2. HOB - 9688
3. IFP - 11209
4. LWB - 11635
5. CWA - 12337

jesus i always see hwo bumpin had no clue they did that much though.

 

[woodfinx]

Damn you got staffing levels too? ?

That I don't know

 

[corn4ahead]

So if you cross reference this with the ops per CPC and then by salary correlated with cost of living do you get the country club list?

So ZOB - 7.4k ops per CPC, with 3.5 hours of TOP and level 12 pay in Ohio = country club?

When you have 2 of the slowest areas of any Z in the FAA, the average really gets drug down. 3 of the 8 areas work their butt off while everyone else is worried about hanging the Christmas lights and keeping that coffee flowin.

 

[Dousand24]

What’s the point of this thread??

 

[MJ]

What’s the point of this thread??

 

[undergrdlaugh93]

When you have 2 of the slowest areas of any Z in the FAA, the average really gets drug down. 3 of the 8 areas work their butt off while everyone else is worried about hanging the Christmas lights and keeping that coffee flowin.

And they gave that one area a high sector to have them feel like they're doing something for the Z.

 

[Dolan]

Best salary for amount of work is at the lower levels because at many the workload essentially approaches zero. Most people want more work and money though

 

[tohow]

When you have 2 of the slowest areas of any Z in the FAA, the average really gets drug down. 3 of the 8 areas work their butt off while everyone else is worried about hanging the Christmas lights and keeping that coffee flowin.

What are the slow areas? 1 and 8?
And the busy? 5, 6, 7?

 

[CaptainObvious]

according to the CWP we’re all massively fat staffed, with greatly depressed operations and hardly any retirements coming up. What are you guy’s complaining about

 

[corn4ahead]

I wouldn't classify Ohio as a country club.

What are the slow areas? 1 and 8?
And the busy? 5, 6, 7?

Yes.

I think 5 and 6 are technically the busiest but 3/7 have the most complexity.