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Easiest facilities for every dollar/ hardest facilities for every dollar

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  1. Dontbotherme #61
    boggy said:

    We reroute 95+% of overflights around A80 and I have, on several occasions, had A80 try to get me to reroute the little guys forcing them to fly through weather to keep them clear of their airspace. That being said it does seem to have improved a bit in more recent years.

    So you’re telling me that you’re upset that inside of 40 miles from ATL, that does roughly 1,000 satellite operations on average a day in chopped up airspace which you center controllers clearly don’t understand, rerouting an aircraft is too difficult for ZTL to send them to the Athens or Columbus sectors of A80? I figured based on the overtakes on the approach wall ZTL should be more concerned about using speed control with jets landing ATL than having to reroute a few overflights a shift, but then again that’s why you get paid the big bucks…

  2. AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise #62
    woodfinx said:
    Facility IDTotal OpsTower OpsRadar Ops
    A11

    300827

    0

    300827

    A80

    1053016

    0

    1053016

    A90

    770713

    0

    770713

    ABE

    199038

    86668

    112370

    ABI

    112932

    45795

    67137

    ABQ

    323140

    148439

    174701

    ACK

    60750

    60750

    0

    ACT

    183100

    83254

    99846

    ACY

    145886

    58794

    87092

    ADS

    135422

    135422

    0

    ADW

    57594

    57594

    0

    AFW

    124867

    124867

    0

    AGC

    69053

    69053

    0

    AGS

    116444

    41036

    75408

    ALB

    152205

    59415

    92790

    ALO

    48920

    25613

    23307

    AMA

    105988

    42926

    63062

    ANC

    282507

    282507

    0

    APA

    300670

    300670

    0

    APC

    67155

    67155

    0

    ARB

    87129

    87129

    0

    ARR

    75875

    75875

    0

    ASE

    105031

    50225

    54806

    ATL

    724329

    724329

    0

    AUS

    689758

    270762

    418996

    AVL

    164601

    79581

    85020

    AVP

    110045

    39863

    70182

    AZO

    364184

    53784

    310400

    BDL

    82794

    82794

    0

    BED

    125565

    125565

    0

    BFI

    172924

    172924

    0

    BFL

    182292

    91977

    90315

    BGM

    39865

    17013

    22852

    BGR

    103814

    43842

    59972

    BHM

    273665

    102371

    171294

    BIL

    169031

    95730

    73301

    BIS

    57760

    31434

    26326

    BJC

    264357

    264357

    0

    BNA

    635543

    264284

    371259

    BOI

    368535

    143544

    224991

    BOS

    396393

    396393

    0

    BPT

    19088

    19088

    0

    BTR

    145216

    63975

    81241

    BTV

    195981

    102660

    93321

    BUF

    202898

    67967

    134931

    BUR

    191182

    191182

    0

    BWI

    227697

    227697

    0

    C90

    1070433

    0

    1070433

    CAE

    175218

    69469

    105749

    CAK

    50593

    50593

    0

    CCR

    112496

    112496

    0

    CDW

    139961

    139961

    0

    CHA

    197637

    92075

    105562

    CHS

    314705

    124851

    189854

    CID

    97857

    43784

    54073

    CKB

    67137

    15041

    52096

    CLE

    378414

    106814

    271600

    CLT

    1099900

    502410

    597490

    CMA

    199757

    199757

    0

    CMH

    442557

    128578

    313979

    CMI

    110286

    55781

    54505

    CNO

    214019

    214019

    0

    COS

    308049

    158315

    149734

    CPR

    56953

    37150

    19803

    CPS

    112121

    112121

    0

    CRP

    324849

    81585

    243264

    CRQ

    148627

    148627

    0

    CRW

    91684

    43579

    48105

    CSG

    38007

    38007

    0

    CVG

    386973

    145785

    241188

    D01

    892976

    0

    892976

    D10

    1276028

    0

    1276028

    D21

    437091

    0

    437091

    DAB

    619868

    298218

    321650

    DAL

    257391

    257391

    0

    DAY

    40488

    40488

    0

    DCA

    340625

    340625

    0

    DEN

    612246

    612246

    0

    DFW

    659055

    659055

    0

    DLH

    113696

    62303

    51393

    DPA

    119753

    119753

    0

    DSM

    179673

    84263

    95410

    DTW

    285472

    285472

    0

    DVT

    280719

    280719

    0

    DWH

    151494

    151494

    0

    ELM

    44554

    15668

    28886

    ELP

    238002

    114848

    123154

    EMT

    94922

    94922

    0

    ERI

    24699

    24699

    0

    EUG

    154862

    61308

    93554

    EVV

    100561

    40297

    60264

    EWR

    500175

    500175

    0

    F11

    684919

    0

    684919

    FAI

    201531

    114213

    87318

    FAR

    172108

    88558

    83550

    FAT

    215604

    89218

    126386

    FAY

    145996

    35484

    110512

    FCM

    122848

    122848

    0

    FFZ

    343237

    343237

    0

    FLL

    300723

    300723

    0

    FLO

    78893

    29966

    48927

    FNT

    48672

    48672

    0

    FPR

    143690

    143690

    0

    FRG

    249730

    249730

    0

    FSD

    149384

    74401

    74983

    FSM

    165341

    24537

    140804

    FTW

    190380

    190380

    0

    FWA

    122003

    42650

    79353

    FXE

    186859

    186859

    0

    GCN

    59556

    59556

    0

    GEG

    235765

    79165

    156600

    GFK

    301944

    301944

    0

    GGG

    163944

    77952

    85992

    GPT

    143956

    58374

    85582

    GRB

    114725

    36323

    78402

    GRR

    74811

    74811

    0

    GSO

    246335

    91483

    154852

    GSP

    206775

    53502

    153273

    GTF

    64207

    35873

    28334

    HEF

    109200

    109200

    0

    HIO

    162794

    162794

    0

    HLN

    54423

    44004

    10419

    HNL

    310915

    310915

    0

    HOU

    208282

    208282

    0

    HPN

    167912

    167912

    0

    HSV

    175610

    64592

    111018

    HTS

    49322

    12075

    37247

    HUF

    126625

    73643

    52982

    HWD

    177745

    177745

    0

    I90

    872307

    0

    872307

    IAD

    276339

    276339

    0

    IAH

    403936

    403936

    0

    ICT

    276794

    113263

    163531

    ILG

    51015

    51015

    0

    ILM

    185216

    81715

    103501

    IND

    491502

    196534

    294968

    ISP

    162641

    162641

    0

    ITO

    86339

    47537

    38802

    JAN

    144244

    67437

    76807

    JAX

    474361

    103496

    370865

    JFK

    468461

    468461

    0

    JNU

    85559

    85559

    0

    L30

    651223

    0

    651223

    LAF

    113309

    113309

    0

    LAN

    30205

    30205

    0

    LAS

    593717

    593717

    0

    LAX

    571090

    571090

    0

    LBB

    191370

    95676

    95694

    LCH

    75528

    28807

    46721

    LEX

    231691

    86605

    145086

    LFT

    99898

    43152

    56746

    LGA

    422563

    422563

    0

    LGB

    328970

    328970

    0

    LIT

    233729

    89750

    143979

    LNK

    74734

    74734

    0

    LOU

    103371

    103371

    0

    LVK

    198838

    198838

    0

    M03

    293854

    0

    293854

    M98

    425166

    0

    425166

    MAF

    192765

    64193

    128572

    MBS

    17738

    17738

    0

    MCI

    310450

    103825

    206625

    MCO

    363305

    363305

    0

    MDT

    208070

    55987

    152083

    MDW

    217343

    217343

    0

    MEM

    214923

    214923

    0

    MFD

    19889

    19889

    0

    MGM

    129446

    58601

    70845

    MHT

    50551

    50551

    0

    MIA

    1541203

    462654

    1078549

    MIC

    47033

    47033

    0

    MKC

    121320

    121320

    0

    MKE

    299956

    91388

    208568

    MKG

    31126

    31126

    0

    MLI

    80010

    32199

    47811

    MLU

    77799

    35499

    42300

    MMU

    127709

    127709

    0

    MOB

    184710

    67022

    117688

    MRI

    152482

    152482

    0

    MRY

    60564

    60564

    0

    MSN

    179886

    78032

    101854

    MSP

    325771

    325771

    0

    MSY

    379657

    127950

    251707

    MWH

    123501

    85769

    37732

    MYF

    315479

    315479

    0

    MYR

    494860

    266951

    227909

    N90

    1854906

    0

    1854906

    NCT

    1496510

    0

    1496510

    NEW

    79091

    79091

    0

    OAK

    228929

    228929

    0

    OGG

    149593

    149593

    0

    OKC

    327660

    106045

    221615

    OMA

    103725

    103725

    0

    ONT

    122666

    122666

    0

    ORD

    707521

    707521

    0

    ORF

    270917

    82179

    188738

    ORL

    157416

    157416

    0

    P31

    268903

    0

    268903

    P50

    674035

    0

    674035

    P80

    273835

    0

    273835

    PAE

    150586

    150586

    0

    PAO

    173506

    173506

    0

    PBI

    599032

    177670

    421362

    PCT

    1330987

    0

    1330987

    PDK

    187094

    187094

    0

    PDX

    215551

    215551

    0

    PHF

    60238

    60238

    0

    PHL

    751908

    289811

    462097

    PHX

    445298

    445298

    0

    PIA

    83535

    38605

    44930

    PIE

    152090

    152090

    0

    PIT

    358277

    122493

    235784

    PNE

    102589

    102589

    0

    PNS

    119170

    119170

    0

    POC

    96714

    96714

    0

    POU

    62415

    62415

    0

    PRC

    308532

    308532

    0

    PSC

    122719

    63937

    58782

    PSP

    64484

    64484

    0

    PTK

    145565

    145565

    0

    PUB

    158567

    158567

    0

    PVD

    225543

    65916

    159627

    PWK

    97373

    97373

    0

    PWM

    150156

    54484

    95672

    R90

    218678

    0

    218678

    RDG

    89287

    39770

    49517

    RDU

    434785

    187829

    246956

    RFD

    177480

    47319

    130161

    RHV

    161440

    161440

    0

    RIC

    99045

    99045

    0

    RNO

    108003

    108003

    0

    ROA

    158977

    50286

    108691

    ROC

    170713

    82955

    87758

    ROW

    51498

    21430

    30068

    RST

    100614

    55171

    45443

    RSW

    368535

    92656

    275879

    RVS

    222348

    222348

    0

    S46

    592800

    0

    592800

    S56

    465098

    0

    465098

    SAN

    241021

    241021

    0

    SAT

    487290

    160255

    327035

    SAV

    301185

    117921

    183264

    SBA

    265763

    112748

    153015

    SBN

    178570

    43574

    134996

    SCK

    55713

    55713

    0

    SCT

    2154618

    0

    2154618

    SDF

    432452

    188627

    243825

    SDL

    176091

    176091

    0

    SEA

    400255

    400255

    0

    SEE

    170694

    170694

    0

    SFB

    187536

    187536

    0

    SFO

    359083

    359083

    0

    SGF

    193760

    57411

    136349

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    119661

    34626

    85035

    SJC

    181211

    181211

    0

    SJU

    162353

    162353

    0

    SLC

    334078

    334078

    0

    SMF

    132243

    132243

    0

    SMO

    91029

    91029

    0

    SNA

    332628

    332628

    0

    SPI

    51762

    28535

    23227

    SRQ

    151601

    151601

    0

    STL

    164482

    164482

    0

    STP

    44315

    44315

    0

    STS

    92451

    92451

    0

    STT

    54106

    54106

    0

    SUS

    148049

    148049

    0

    SUX

    34268

    16426

    17842

    SYR

    147474

    63112

    84362

    T75

    304881

    0

    304881

    TEB

    288897

    288897

    0

    TLH

    159287

    72958

    86329

    TMB

    230342

    230342

    0

    TOA

    192864

    192864

    0

    TOL

    122503

    39439

    83064

    TPA

    758183

    220482

    537701

    TRI

    115388

    48582

    66806

    TUL

    300721

    97262

    203459

    TUS

    140740

    140740

    0

    TVC

    86258

    86258

    0

    TWF

    52018

    32408

    19610

    TYS

    275019

    123326

    151693

    U90

    201536

    0

    201536

    VGT

    183213

    183213

    0

    VNY

    342330

    342330

    0

    VRB

    149233

    149233

    0

    Y90

    186041

    0

    186041

    YIP

    87637

    87637

    0

    YNG

    59777

    21150

    38627

    ZAB

    1739658

    0

    1739658

    ZAU

    2047304

    0

    2047304

    ZBW

    1446449

    0

    1446449

    ZDC

    2307673

    0

    2307673

    ZDV

    1896177

    0

    1896177

    ZFW

    2283465

    0

    2283465

    ZHU

    2261293

    0

    2261293

    ZID

    1974653

    0

    1974653

    ZJX

    2497877

    0

    2497877

    ZKC

    1778533

    0

    1778533

    ZLA

    2371639

    0

    2371639

    ZLC

    1471237

    0

    1471237

    ZMA

    2395294

    0

    2395294

    ZME

    2171809

    0

    2171809

    ZMP

    1771078

    0

    1771078

    ZNY

    2037099

    0

    2037099

    ZOA

    1423619

    0

    1423619

    ZOB

    1969064

    0

    1969064

    ZSE

    1164213

    0

    1164213

    ZTL

    2879721

    0

    2879721

    So ZTL works 15% more traffic than the second busiest center? Holy crap.

    Dontbotherme said:

    So you’re telling me that you’re upset that inside of 40 miles from ATL, that does roughly 1,000 satellite operations on average a day in chopped up airspace which you center controllers clearly don’t understand, rerouting an aircraft is too difficult for ZTL to send them to the Athens or Columbus sectors of A80? I figured based on the overtakes on the approach wall ZTL should be more concerned about using speed control with jets landing ATL than having to reroute a few overflights a shift, but then again that’s why you get paid the big bucks…

    In our defense, we were never taught how A80 airspace is subdivided (And we absolutely should be)

  3. boggy #63
    Dontbotherme said:

    So you’re telling me that you’re upset that inside of 40 miles from ATL, that does roughly 1,000 satellite operations on average a day in chopped up airspace which you center controllers clearly don’t understand, rerouting an aircraft is too difficult for ZTL to send them to the Athens or Columbus sectors of A80? I figured based on the overtakes on the approach wall ZTL should be more concerned about using speed control with jets landing ATL than having to reroute a few overflights a shift, but then again that’s why you get paid the big bucks…

    Who said I was upset? Don't get your knickers in a twist.

  4. MKK #64

    Those poor people at zjx getting their ass kicked with 11 pay. No cip and no extra locality. Midwest Z’s just chillin and making bank. Sounds like the faa has it all figured out.

  5. TushingPin #65
    Dontbotherme said:

    So you’re telling me that you’re upset that inside of 40 miles from ATL, that does roughly 1,000 satellite operations on average a day in chopped up airspace which you center controllers clearly don’t understand, rerouting an aircraft is too difficult for ZTL to send them to the Athens or Columbus sectors of A80? I figured based on the overtakes on the approach wall ZTL should be more concerned about using speed control with jets landing ATL than having to reroute a few overflights a shift, but then again that’s why you get paid the big bucks…

    Yes

  6. BDUB #66

    Now put the contract towers into the numbers as well and make this really interesting lol

  7. TushingPin #67
    BDUB said:

    Now put the contract towers into the numbers as well and make this really interesting lol

    Like I said, CYS. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a facility that makes more $ per airplane lol

  8. woodfinx #68
    BDUB said:

    Now put the contract towers into the numbers as well and make this really interesting lol

    This is just through November, not YTD like above...
    Busiest FCTs
    1. HWO - 253821
    2. IWA - 243701
    3. CHD - 194221
    4. CRG - 172356
    5. JRF - 170571

    Slowest FCTs
    1. BBG - 9099
    2. HOB - 9688
    3. IFP - 11209
    4. LWB - 11635
    5. CWA - 12337

  9. Bigfella #69
    Dontbotherme said:

    So you’re telling me that you’re upset that inside of 40 miles from ATL, that does roughly 1,000 satellite operations on average a day in chopped up airspace which you center controllers clearly don’t understand, rerouting an aircraft is too difficult for ZTL to send them to the Athens or Columbus sectors of A80? I figured based on the overtakes on the approach wall ZTL should be more concerned about using speed control with jets landing ATL than having to reroute a few overflights a shift, but then again that’s why you get paid the big bucks…

    Ah ya know, 96% success rate. #igavehimtherestriction #ijustsatdown

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  10. BDUB #70
    woodfinx said:

    This is just through November, not YTD like above...
    Busiest FCTs
    1. HWO - 253821
    2. IWA - 243701
    3. CHD - 194221
    4. CRG - 172356
    5. JRF - 170571

    Slowest FCTs
    1. BBG - 9099
    2. HOB - 9688
    3. IFP - 11209
    4. LWB - 11635
    5. CWA - 12337

    Damn you got staffing levels too? ?

  11. RB #71
    woodfinx said:

    This is just through November, not YTD like above...
    Busiest FCTs
    1. HWO - 253821
    2. IWA - 243701
    3. CHD - 194221
    4. CRG - 172356
    5. JRF - 170571

    Slowest FCTs
    1. BBG - 9099
    2. HOB - 9688
    3. IFP - 11209
    4. LWB - 11635
    5. CWA - 12337

    jesus i always see hwo bumpin had no clue they did that much though.

  12. woodfinx #72
    BDUB said:

    Damn you got staffing levels too? ?

    That I don't know

  13. corn4ahead #73
    jdatc said:

    So if you cross reference this with the ops per CPC and then by salary correlated with cost of living do you get the country club list?

    So ZOB - 7.4k ops per CPC, with 3.5 hours of TOP and level 12 pay in Ohio = country club?

    When you have 2 of the slowest areas of any Z in the FAA, the average really gets drug down. 3 of the 8 areas work their butt off while everyone else is worried about hanging the Christmas lights and keeping that coffee flowin.

  14. Dousand24 #74

    What’s the point of this thread??

  15. MJ #75
    Dousand24 said:

    What’s the point of this thread??

    Dave Chappelle Playa Haters Ball GIF

  16. undergrdlaugh93 #76
    corn4ahead said:

    When you have 2 of the slowest areas of any Z in the FAA, the average really gets drug down. 3 of the 8 areas work their butt off while everyone else is worried about hanging the Christmas lights and keeping that coffee flowin.

    damn right walter white GIF by Breaking Bad
    And they gave that one area a high sector to have them feel like they're doing something for the Z.

  17. Dolan #77

    Best salary for amount of work is at the lower levels because at many the workload essentially approaches zero. Most people want more work and money though

  18. tohow #78
    corn4ahead said:

    When you have 2 of the slowest areas of any Z in the FAA, the average really gets drug down. 3 of the 8 areas work their butt off while everyone else is worried about hanging the Christmas lights and keeping that coffee flowin.

    What are the slow areas? 1 and 8?
    And the busy? 5, 6, 7?

  19. CaptainObvious #79

    according to the CWP we’re all massively fat staffed, with greatly depressed operations and hardly any retirements coming up. What are you guy’s complaining about

  20. corn4ahead #80
    eltors0 said:

    I wouldn't classify Ohio as a country club.

    tohow said:

    What are the slow areas? 1 and 8?
    And the busy? 5, 6, 7?

    Yes.

    I think 5 and 6 are technically the busiest but 3/7 have the most complexity.

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