Enroute position relief overlap

[CaptainObvious]

So we did 2 minute overlaps at every terminal facility I’ve worked, but don’t at the center. Where can I find in writing whether they are required or not in the enroute environment. I only ask because some FLMs are leaving people on until less than two minutes before their go home time

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

Should be in your local SOP. Our tracon has to do two minute overlaps and our tower does not.

 

[Deuce]

7110.65 appendix A specifically 2.d and 4.a

If I was legitimately not being relieved until 2 minutes prior, I would absolutely monitor until after my shift ends. Then I would either demand the hr of OT or file a grievance for going over 10hrs, depending on which is applicable. Either of those will make it a mistake the super won't make very many times. 4.a stops them from preventing you from doing this as long as you're not monitoring for an absurd amount of time

 

[32andBelow]

We were taught a 1 minute overlap in like a cedar memo I think. We do them.

 

[Phillytroll69]

So we did 2 minute overlaps at every terminal facility I’ve worked, but don’t at the center. Where can I find in writing whether they are required or not in the enroute environment. I only ask because some FLMs are leaving people on until less than two minutes before their go home time

The details are in the .65 but I'd it's two minutes before your go home I could easily make that a briefing. I think cry art slots post review in 5 min increments

 

[Muneco803]

Bro 2 minutes before your go time? I say you stay on for 3 minutes and get paid a full hour of overtime. Then go home. There's a reason why you can sign out 15 minutes before you go home. Just start timing your break.

My 2 minute before and after is in the sop. I just found it. No idea where I read the 2 minutes can be omitted. But I recall ppl doing it at center.

The details are in the .65 but I'd it's two minutes before your go home I could easily make that a briefing. I think cry art slots post review in 5 min increments

Where in the .65?

 

[TJ95]

At the 12 TRACON we overlap for 2 minutes. When I worked at the center we didn’t overlap at all, but the briefing at the center took 3-4 times as long as the briefing on an approach sector. If there were questions at the center I slid over to the d-side for a minute or two to make sure the radar was comfortable.

 

[Phillytroll69]

Bro 2 minutes before your go time? I say you stay on for 3 minutes and get paid a full hour of overtime. Then go home. There's a reason why you can sign out 15 minutes before you go home. Just start timing your break.

My 2 minute before and after is in the sop. I just found it. No idea where I read the 2 minutes can be omitted. But I recall ppl doing it at center.


Where in the .65?

Appendix d now https://tfmlearning.faa.gov/publications/atpubs/ATC/AppdxD.html

 

[CoffeeIV]

Appendix d now https://tfmlearning.faa.gov/publications/atpubs/ATC/AppdxD.html

I'd say specifically this part is why you do 2 minutes:

"d. In the final part of the relief process, the specialist being relieved monitors and reviews the position to ensure that nothing has been overlooked or incorrectly displayed and that the transfer of position responsibility occurred with a complete briefing."


Also your supe sucks for leaving you on routinely till the end of shift.​

 

[Unable is a full sentence]

We've been told if you get stuck a minute over or whatever that 1 hour OT is not a thing. They said to use the 6 minute suffered and permitted OT.

 

[Termine]

We've been told if you get stuck a minute over or whatever that 1 hour OT is not a thing. They said to use the 6 minute suffered and permitted OT.

Are they giving you a chapter-and-verse CFR/USC reference for that? Because Article 38 Section 10 seems pretty unambiguous.

 

[Soul_Controller]

We've been told if you get stuck a minute over or whatever that 1 hour OT is not a thing. They said to use the 6 minute suffered and permitted OT.

Who is "they?" And was this based off a grievance denial?