Hiring Bid FAA-ATO-23-ALLN90-85812

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Air Traffic Control Specialists in the Terminal Approach Control provides radar services to aircraft arriving and departing airports and transiting Terminal airspace. They transfer control of aircraft to the ARTCC controller when the aircraft leaves assigned airspace and they receive control of aircraft coming into assigned airspace.

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  • Duty location for these positions is N90/NEW YORK TRACON LOCATED IN WESTBURY, NY. You must reside within the area of consideration (AOC) defined as within a 50 mile radius of Westbury, NY.
    Air Traffic Control Specialists in the Terminal Approach Control provides radar services to aircraft arriving and departing airports and transiting Terminal airspace. They transfer control of aircraft to the ARTCC controller when the aircraft leaves assigned airspace and they receive control of aircraft coming into assigned airspace.
    This is a developmental Air Traffic Control Specialist (ATCS) position responsible for the safe, orderly and expeditious movement of air traffic through the New York Terminal Radar Approach Control (TRACON) airspace.
  • As a new ATCS, you will spend your first several weeks of employment in an intensive training program at the FAA Academy in Oklahoma City, OK. While attending training you will be on a temporary appointment. Applicants selected will receive air traffic control training at the FAA Academy, which includes:
    • Complete occupational indoctrination including highlights of Federal employment, familiarization with organizational structure & functions, aircraft, air traffic control system, & aviation industry, classroom instruction & workshop exercises relating to the air traffic control system.
    • FAA Radar Training
    • TRACON Skills Enhancement workshop
    • Advanced TRACON skills training focusing on skills required for success at New York TRACON
  • Individuals who do not successfully complete training at the FAA Academy and all other necessary requirements will have their employment terminated.
  • Prior failure of FAA Academy training or prior declination of permanent facility placement offer after completing Academy training may constitute a basis for non-selection and/or veterans' preference pass over.
  • Upon successful completion of the Academy initial training program & other employment requirements, newly hired ATCS's will be offered a permanent appointment at an FAA facility with a basic salary of $43,727, plus applicable locality pay based on facility assignment. Applicants with prior ATC experience will have their salary set in accordance with the ATCS Collective Bargaining Agreement, upon conversion.
  • ATCS's will be paid long term expense rate (per diem) for Oklahoma City, OK to help offset daily cost of living while attending FAA Academy. FAA will pay for cost of travel in accordance with applicable agency policies.
  • As an ATCS you will receive pay increases as you successfully complete the progressive phases of controller training at your assigned facility. This announcement is only open to those applicants willing to work at N90, New York TRACON located in Westbury New York and who reside within the area of consideration (AOC) defined as within a 50 mile radius of Westbury, NY.
  • Prior experience or training in air traffic control is not required. If a candidate applies for and is selected under this temporary trainee announcement, all of the employment conditions associated with this FG-3 position will apply, regardless of whether the candidate possesses specialized experience.

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Requirements​

Conditions of Employment​

  • US Citizenship is required.
  • Selective Service Registration is required for males born after 12/31/1959.
  • Designated or Random Drug Testing required.
  • All applicants must pass the Air Traffic Skills Assessment (ATSA) Exam.
  • Area of consideration: must reside within a 50 mile radius of Westbury, NY/N90 TRACON.

Qualifications​

  • You may qualify in one of the following five ways:
  • TO QUALIFY BASED ON PROGRESSIVELY RESPONSIBLE WORK EXPERIENCE: applicants must document three years of full time (40 hours per week) progressively responsible experience. Most types of paid or unpaid employment will provide progressively responsible experience as the individual doing the work learns about the organization, gains knowledge about the work, and demonstrates responsibility. OR
  • TO QUALIFY BASED UPON EDUCATION: applicants must document a full 4-year course of study leading to a Bachelor's degree. Schools must be accredited by an accrediting institution recognized by the U.S. Department of Education. If qualifying based on education, applicants must submit a copy of the transcript which includes the name of the institution, quarter or semester hours earned and/or confer date. OR
  • TO QUALIFY BASED UPON THE COMBINATION OF BOTH WORK EXPERIENCE AND EDUCATION: The applicant's total qualifying experience is converted to a percentage of the experience required, then the applicant's education is converted to a percentage of the education required. The combined percentages must equal 100%. At the undergraduate level, successfully completed education that has not led to possession of a degree is credited based on its relationship to 120 semester hours, or 180 quarter hours. For example, 30 semester hours or 45 quarter hours is comparable to one year of undergraduate education. For study at a business or technical school, 36 weeks of study (20+ classroom hours per week) is comparable to one academic year above high school. OR
  • TO QUALIFY BASED ON SPECIALIZED WORK EXPERIENCE AS AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL SPECIALIST: applicants qualifying based on specialized experience must provide supporting documentation that verifies that this requirement has been met (e.g., FAA certificate, military certificate or training record). OR
  • TO QUALIFY BASED ON ALTERNATIVE REQUIREMENTS: applicants must provide supporting documentation that verifies at least one of the following alternative requirements being met: a. Do you hold or have held an appropriate facility rating and have actively controlled air traffic in civilian or military air traffic control terminals or centers? b. Do you hold or have held an FAA certificate as a dispatcher for an air carrier? c. Do you hold or have held an instrument flight rating? d. Do you hold or have held an FAA certificate as a navigator or have been fully qualified as a Navigator/Bombardier in the Armed Forces? e. Do you have 350 hours of flight time as a copilot or higher and hold or have held a private certificate or equivalent Armed Forces rating? f. Have you served as a rated Aerospace Defense Command Intercept Director?
  • Successful candidates must be able to speak English clearly enough to be understood over radios, intercoms, and similar communications equipment.
    Veterans Recruitment Appointment (VRA) eligible applicants:
  • Disabled veterans; or
  • Veterans who served on active duty in the Armed Forces during a war, or in a campaign or expedition for which a campaign badge has been authorized; or
  • Veterans who, while serving on active duty in the Armed Forces, participated in a United States military operation for which an Armed Forces Service Medal was awarded; or
  • Recently separated veterans (defined as; within the last 3 years).
    Veterans claiming eligibility on the basis of service in a campaign or expedition for which a medal was awarded must be in receipt of the campaign badge or medal.
    In addition to meeting the criteria above, eligible veterans must have been separated under honorable conditions (i.e., the individual must have received either an honorable or general discharge). Please also see the section 'All Veterans' at the bottom of this vacancy for further documentation requirements for Veterans.
  • Entrance on Duty Requirements (EOD): If you are unable to complete all of the pre-employment requirements within 90 days from the date of the Clearance Instruction Letter (CIL), the FAA may rescind your tentative job offer for this vacancy. If you are a current military member in active duty service, you must submit a copy of your DD Form-214, or written documentation (certification) from your branch of service certifying that you are expected to be discharged or released from active duty under honorable conditions no later than 120 days after the date the certification is signed.
    Age Requirements:
    A maximum age of 30 years is established for initial entry into air traffic control positions covered by Public Law 92-297. Persons who have reached their 31st birthday may not be originally appointed to these positions. If experience was gained as a civilian ATCS with the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) or Department of Defense (DOD), you must have been hired prior to age 31. Please see the Required Documents section of this announcement for further information on specific documentation that MUST be provided if you were previously hired by the FAA or DOD prior to the maximum entry age for this position

Education​


Applicants who are using education as a qualifier must submit a copy of the official/unofficial transcripts to substantiate all credit hours and/or confer date.

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what's the point of the 50nm radius stipulation?? doesn't make a lot of sense. Why not allow anyone off the street or coming from the DoD/contract to apply?
 
If you already have a CTO but are over the age of 31 but under 36 can you still apply? Prior experience I know is 36, just curious if you could do the same on this bid.
 
Just out of curiosity, are they actually getting successful trainees from these bids? Has anyone off the street certified there yet? I don't doubt that the right person could do it, but I've only heard of a few washouts so far.
 
Just out of curiosity, are they actually getting successful trainees from these bids? Has anyone off the street certified there yet? I don't doubt that the right person could do it, but I've only heard of a few washouts so far.

We have had 1 ots certify in my area so far. We lost a few in the lab but far more quit during covid.
 
Do you think less people would quit if you stopped treating them like garbage and calling them the f word
 
Do you think less people would quit if you stopped treating them like garbage and calling them the f word
Talking a lot of shit about N90 lately in here.

Aren't you the guy from the level 5 Tower in the Midwest that came to NYC for some World of Warcraft gaming tournament and came a day earlier to tour N90?

Had the nicest guy in the building give up his break to give you a detailed tour of the entire building.

No trainees were even being trained let alone yelled at and cursed at or sexualized as you've said in other posts.

You monitored an extremely slow late morning period, said ah doesn't look to complex here.

Then another controller took up half his break to drive you to the train station.

C'mon man you're better than that.

Also since when does not calling a trainee an F word suddenly make them not put planes together?
 
Do you think less people would quit if you stopped treating them like garbage and calling them the f word

Idk? I don’t know of anyone being called that, but I’m not familiar with the discourse that goes in other areas.
 
Talking a lot of shit about N90 lately in here.

Aren't you the guy from the level 5 Tower in the Midwest that came to NYC for some World of Warcraft gaming tournament and came a day earlier to tour N90?

Had the nicest guy in the building give up his break to give you a detailed tour of the entire building.

No trainees were even being trained let alone yelled at and cursed at or sexualized as you've said in other posts.

You monitored an extremely slow late morning period, said ah doesn't look to complex here.

Then another controller took up half his break to drive you to the train station.

C'mon man you're better than that.

Also since when does not calling a trainee an F word suddenly make them not put planes together?
Brother I'm talking about things people are training there now are telling me. I'm glad you know what I think of the complexity of the facility because I said Newark seems complex. There's a reason I wasn't shown the other sectors. I heard someone being sexualized in the first ten minutes of being in the facility and I have multiple trainees telling me they're being called the f word so maybe worry about the problems there and fixing them before coming on here and trying to slam me for saying what's happening. There's a reason I didn't decide to come there after being selected.
 
Brother I'm talking about things people are training there now are telling me. I'm glad you know what I think of the complexity of the facility because I said Newark seems complex. There's a reason I wasn't shown the other sectors. I heard someone being sexualized in the first ten minutes of being in the facility and I have multiple trainees telling me they're being called the f word so maybe worry about the problems there and fixing them before coming on here and trying to slam me for saying what's happening. There's a reason I didn't decide to come there after being selected.
More he said she said story's from trainees.
Sounds like more of general societal problems rather than N90 alone.
Yea some trainers under stress lose their temper when going down the tubes to recover a mess.
Maybe you never worked anywhere before the FAA, but treatment of women in a man dominated workplace is hardly a localized issue and problems do arise, but poll every female in N90 and I'd guarantee you wouldn't get a story like that from them. They're respected just as anyone else in the building.

Save your "brother" title for someone else if you want continue to disrespect us talking behind these anonymous online forums.

N90 has been certifying more than ever before. Some questionable at best. N90 has done this even through the stonewalling of the entire upper echelon of the FAA actively making it harder for N90 to certify people since 2018. This includes more recently the FAA removing multiple OTS EWR classes lined up to go into training for the past 2 years and sending them to other areas and only allowing the very few Previous Experience controllers to train. This has slowed down the pipeline of potential successful trainees immensely - All an attempt to show artificially worse success rates for the EWR area to present to elected officials.
They have management in Washington calling to tell OM's to try and force open random positions. Outside upper management showing up at random to harass and attempt to scare us.
This is all due to their epic failure of the multimillion-taxpayer dollar EWR move. The summer delays had almost zero to do with our staffing, even when airlines tried to spin it that way. This has pissed of the ego of the outside upper management who will do everything to break up N90 until they die because they'd rather not admit their failures. The whole reason for the 804 law was to prevent wasteful FAA spending on ridiculous projects like this, yet they attempted to go around the law anyway.

So if you want to continue bashing N90, go bid a management job and tell them you want to hop on board, I'm sure they'll give you a shot at it.
 
I heard someone being sexualized in the first ten minutes of being in the facility and I have multiple trainees telling me they're being called the f word

Which area did you hear this in? Hell in EWR we have a gay trainee now and he’s the most popular and well liked trainee I think we’ve ever had.
 
More he said she said story's from trainees.
Sounds like more of general societal problems rather than N90 alone.
Yea some trainers under stress lose their temper when going down the tubes to recover a mess.
Maybe you never worked anywhere before the FAA, but treatment of women in a man dominated workplace is hardly a localized issue and problems do arise, but poll every female in N90 and I'd guarantee you wouldn't get a story like that from them. They're respected just as anyone else in the building.

Save your "brother" title for someone else if you want continue to disrespect us talking behind these anonymous online forums.

N90 has been certifying more than ever before. Some questionable at best. N90 has done this even through the stonewalling of the entire upper echelon of the FAA actively making it harder for N90 to certify people since 2018. This includes more recently the FAA removing multiple OTS EWR classes lined up to go into training for the past 2 years and sending them to other areas and only allowing the very few Previous Experience controllers to train. This has slowed down the pipeline of potential successful trainees immensely - All an attempt to show artificially worse success rates for the EWR area to present to elected officials.
They have management in Washington calling to tell OM's to try and force open random positions. Outside upper management showing up at random to harass and attempt to scare us.
This is all due to their epic failure of the multimillion-taxpayer dollar EWR move. The summer delays had almost zero to do with our staffing, even when airlines tried to spin it that way. This has pissed of the ego of the outside upper management who will do everything to break up N90 until they die because they'd rather not admit their failures. The whole reason for the 804 law was to prevent wasteful FAA spending on ridiculous projects like this, yet they attempted to go around the law anyway.

So if you want to continue bashing N90, go bid a management job and tell them you want to hop on board, I'm sure they'll give you a shot at it.
Yeah man the continuous stories are just that, certainly no truth behind them. It's definitely super anonymous who I am since you know, you clearly remember me, and I've never hidden where I'm from. Maybe you guys should fix the culture instead of coming online and crying anytime someone criticizes the facility.
 
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