Pay doesn't change for people already full certified. You'll just reach the top of the pay band faster. No CPC is getting a pay cut for being downgraded.
Facility Downgrades / Upgrades
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#542 GulfBravoPapa said:
Pay doesn't change for people already full certified. You'll just reach the top of the pay band faster. No CPC is getting a pay cut for being downgraded.
Is that the case with transfers? And is that the case if your facility gets downgraded by more than 3 levels?
And what if you aren’t full certified, but you arrived at a facility before it is downgraded, but are on AG or Ds?
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#543 Bgsbya said:
Is that the case with transfers? And is that the case if your facility gets downgraded by more than 3 levels?
And what if you aren’t full certified, but you arrived at a facility before it is downgraded, but are on AG or Ds?
All trainees get two years from the effective date to complete training and certify or they are certified at the new lower level and lower pay band.
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#544 Bgsbya said:
Is that the case with transfers? And is that the case if your facility gets downgraded by more than 3 levels?
And what if you aren’t full certified, but you arrived at a facility before it is downgraded, but are on AG or Ds?
Downgraded by more then 3 levels lol? Nobody goes from a 8 to a 4, it’s just the lowest level shitholes they are consolidating and hopefully contracting out.
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#545 Homsar said:
Not part of this fight, but just to be a devil’s advocate: if they’re staffing is inflated more than it needs to be, a downgrade could lead to their staffing numbers being cut and those numbers given to facilities elsewhere that actually need additional staffing.
Unless other people have seen it somewhere, when a facility is upgraded or downgraded in level it has 0 effect on the staffing numbers. To get those changed is incredibly hard in either direction. Lots of places have staffing numbers either too high or too low.
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#546 DADDYSbabyBIRD said:
Unless other people have seen it somewhere, when a facility is upgraded or downgraded in level it has 0 effect on the staffing numbers. To get those changed is incredibly hard in either direction. Lots of places have staffing numbers either too high or too low.
That’s correct, but an upgrade/downgrade should get the discussion going to balance it out at least.
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#547 I thought they were going to complete re-examine and redesign all the facility staffing targets.
Is that still in the plans or did NATCA abandon it like negotiating contracts, flight deck training, labor relations support, political action outside of the national office, allowing to post on their social media sites, etc…..
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#548 FightingIrish2012 said:
I thought they were going to complete re-examine and redesign all the facility staffing targets.
Is that still in the plans or did NATCA abandon it like negotiating contracts, flight deck training, labor relations support, political action outside of the national office, allowing to post on their social media sites, etc…..
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#549 Acquired Taste said:
From the June NEB meeting minutesMeanwhile they delay ABACUS for another 2+ years. Fuck the Zs
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#550 HenryTheAce said:
DTW getting that downgrade to a level 9!! Two weeks from this Sunday.
What's the effective date for this and HIO?
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#551 MJ said:
What's the effective date for this and HIO?
Effective date for DTW to a level 9 was Sunday, July 17
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#552 HenryTheAce said:
Effective date for DTW to a level 9 was Sunday, July 17
Dark days.
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#553 Soul_Controller said:
They tried to fuck ABI out of their radar when they built the new tower, but that went sideways.
Thank god no west texas approach please
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#554 Smitty said:
Dark days.
Indeed… soon enough we’ll be joining them on a downgrade.
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#555 HenryTheAce said:
Effective date for DTW to a level 9 was Sunday, July 17
Same effective date for HIO, MJ
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#556 MJ said:
FACILITY OLD NEW EFFECTIVE ARR 4 5 12/6/2020 ASE 5 6 5/9/2021 CHA 6 7 6/6/2021 FCM 5 6 4/11/2021 LAF 5 6 5/9/2021 MYF 8 9 5/9/2021 MYR 8 9 8/1/2021 PRC 7 8 5/9/2021 SDL 6 7 7/5/2020 TOA 5 6 7/4/2021 VNY 7 8 5/9/2021 Super Salt Morgan_Freeman_But_Not would you please edit in the effective dates
When did MYF become a level 8? I always thought it was a level 7. Seeing it as a level 9 now shocked me lol.
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#557 ATCNOMAD said:
When did MYF become a level 8? I always thought it was a level 7. Seeing it as a level 9 now shocked me lol.
What’s funny is that their CPC # is 13.. and they’re not 24 hours?? Sounds like a potential CC to me!
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#558 RH316 said:
What’s funny is that their CPC # is 13
I'd be willing to bet that's the lowest CPC # for a level 9 facility in the NAS
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#559 ATCNOMAD said:
I'd be willing to bet that's the lowest CPC # for a level 9 facility in the NAS
Doesn’t make sense at all
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#560 RH316 said:
Doesn’t make sense at all
I'm not mad, just surprised AF. I'm from San Diego. Never thought outa all the towers in SD that MYF would become the "big boy." Honestly I thought SAN making level 8 with the 1 RWY was a shock. I was on USA jobs today saw the pay of a OS at MFY and spit out my drink lol.
