Bogus Hardship said:AZO has only been waiting 21 months now. We'll see if NATCA is worth anything.
I’m sure right there with the 50+ facilities below the buffer for 21 months.
Bogus Hardship said:AZO has only been waiting 21 months now. We'll see if NATCA is worth anything.
I’m sure right there with the 50+ facilities below the buffer for 21 months.
Bogus Hardship said:AZO has only been waiting 21 months now. We'll see if NATCA is worth anything.
Do you guys get a traffic count for everytime you call D21 and say 'Metro, Great Lakes, question?'
DoctorSalami said:Do you guys get a traffic count for everytime you call D21 and say 'Metro, Great Lakes, question?'

boots said:I’m sure right there with the 50+ facilities below the buffer for 21 months.
Or the centers above it for decades
DoctorSalami said:Do you guys get a traffic count for everytime you call D21 and say 'Metro, Great Lakes, question?'
Doctor Salami has spoken the truth yet again, LOA Great Lakes… LOA #Gabagool
HenryTheAce said:Doctor Salami has spoken the truth yet again, LOA Great Lakes… LOA #Gabagool
| FACILITY | OLD | NEW | EFFECTIVE |
|---|---|---|---|
| ARR | 4 | 5 | 12/6/2020 |
| ASE | 5 | 6 | 5/9/2021 |
| CHA | 6 | 7 | 6/6/2021 |
| FCM | 5 | 6 | 4/11/2021 |
| LAF | 5 | 6 | 5/9/2021 |
| MYF | 8 | 9 | 5/9/2021 |
| MYR | 8 | 9 | 8/1/2021 |
| PRC | 7 | 8 | 5/9/2021 |
| SDL | 6 | 7 | 7/5/2020 |
| TOA | 5 | 6 | 7/4/2021 |
| VNY | 7 | 8 | 5/9/2021 |
Super Salt Morgan_Freeman_But_Not would you please edit in the effective dates
MJ said:
FACILITY OLD NEW EFFECTIVE ASE 5 6 CHA 6 7 LAF 5 6 MYF 8 9 MYR 8 9 PRC 7 8 TOA 5 6 VNY 7 8 Super Salt Morgan_Freeman_But_Not would you please edit in the effective dates
When I’m back at the grind I will.
Super Salt said:When I’m back at the grind I will.
You’ll be at your next place first at this rate

MYR(heliport) getting bumped up to a 9 for helicopter traffic must be nice.
Bama said:MYR(heliport) getting bumped up to a 9 for helicopter traffic must be nice.
I haven't heard much about their operation. Can you elaborate?
I know down the pipeline when ABACUS is finally introduced, NATCA may be trying to negotiate that sustained GA OPs (more than 30 minutes), will count again towards traffic count. That could potentially help a lot of helo heavy facilities in the future.
Morgan_Freeman_But_Not said:
I must express in the strongest possible terms my profound opposition to the newly instituted practice which imposes severe and intolerable restrictions on the ingress and egress of senior members of the hierarchy and will, in all probability, should the current deplorable innovation be perpetuated, precipitate a progressive constriction of the channels of communication, culminating in a condition of organisational atrophy and administrative paralysis, which will render effectively impossible the coherent and co-ordinated discharge of the function of government
What scam MYR got going to be a 9?? Good for them but damn….
MYF has been pumping j’s for awhile, good to see them getting what they deserve, higher then SAN now..
Bama said:MYR(heliport) getting bumped up to a 9 for helicopter traffic must be nice.
Southwest, Delta and Spirit must be new helicopter operators
CaptainObvious said:Southwest, Delta and Spirit must be new helicopter operators
I'm not saying they dont work because they do. But most of their traffic during the summer months is from helicopters.
Bama said:I'm not saying they dont work because they do. But most of their traffic during the summer months is from helicopters.
Dolly Parton doesnt use helicopters

CaptainObvious said:Long deserved for Aspen
I heard ASE has Corridors Routes for one in one out, is that true? ASE is also a single runway operation, Airnav shows average of 100 ops a day and Flightaware doesn’t show a day over 250 ops but I know it doesn’t count Pattern work. My question is, is ASE really that complex to be a lvl 6? Or are ppl pencil whipping #s? Genuinely curious
TAF shows less than 40k Tower ops for 2021 as well BUT I Forgot ASE is “up/down”, so the TRACAB is probably pulling all the weight for that upgrade. Though I suppose they “need” it for their Cost of Living, since CIP and Affordability Pay isn’t “enough”.
BravoZulu said:TAF shows less than 40k Tower ops for 2021 as well BUT I Forgot ASE is “up/down”, so the TRACAB is probably pulling all the weight for that upgrade. Though I suppose they “need” it for their Cost of Living, since CIP and Affordability Pay isn’t “enough”.
The average home price is over 11 million. It’s not enough.
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