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Rodsmash

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released, climb and maintain fl180 ?

By the time I was able to release him I busted my EDC time by 10 minutes and the conflict was long gone. My evaluator either didn't notice or didn't care because I didn't stop coordinating the entire time with point outs and what not. Probably would have been different if I just sat there frozen.
 

PlaneFlasher

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By the time I was able to release him I busted my EDC time by 10 minutes and the conflict was long gone. My evaluator either didn't notice or didn't care because I didn't stop coordinating the entire time with point outs and what not. Probably would have been different if I just sat there frozen.
Wait what . . . . You can't give a VVBA a EDC without taking a delay (at least with the current rules)?
 

Rodsmash

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Wait what . . . . You can't give a VVBA a EDC without taking a delay (at least with the current rules)?
That was probably the rule back in 2018 but i was a bit down the shitter and had airborne traffic to handle first.
 

KTreu42

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I never had the VVBA on evals, but on one of the last problems pre-eval I totally blew that sumbitch through 3 GWO arrivals (none anywhere close, but I did not check my strip bay). I was prepared to give him 4000 ft if I got one and wasn't 100% sure there was no non-radar traffic. I'd rather eat the error for not clearing him to the highest available altitude than say, 3 A-1s.
 

32andBelow

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I never had the VVBA on evals, but on one of the last problems pre-eval I totally blew that sumbitch through 3 GWO arrivals (none anywhere close, but I did not check my strip bay). I was prepared to give him 4000 ft if I got one and wasn't 100% sure there was no non-radar traffic. I'd rather eat the error for not clearing him to the highest available altitude than say, 3 A-1s.
I still don’t understand why they give you a deal at the academy for traffic that’s like 2 sectors away
 

PlaneFlasher

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I never had the VVBA on evals, but on one of the last problems pre-eval I totally blew that sumbitch through 3 GWO arrivals (none anywhere close, but I did not check my strip bay). I was prepared to give him 4000 ft if I got one and wasn't 100% sure there was no non-radar traffic. I'd rather eat the error for not clearing him to the highest available altitude than say, 3 A-1s.
My entire class had to deal with VVBA (Sometimes multiple) which I think is bs since you only see 4-5 of them in the practice problems. You see more no transponders in the practice problems and they don’t even appear on the current evals.
 

32andBelow

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My entire class had to deal with VVBA (Sometimes multiple) which I think is bs since you only see 4-5 of them in the practice problems. You see more no transponders in the practice problems and they don’t even appear on the current evals.
Eh anything you see once or twice should be fair game. And fighters do quick climbs in real life. Just did one the other day. He was level at 350 5 north of the field
 

PlaneFlasher

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Eh anything you see once or twice should be fair game. And fighters do quick climbs in real life. Just did one the other day. He was level at 350 5 north of the field
I hear you . . . My issue is that the VVBA situations are much more complex on the evals compared to what you see in the practice problems. I don’t think there are many other tasks I would say the same.
 

32andBelow

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I hear you . . . My issue is that the VVBA situations are much more complex on the evals compared to what you see in the practice problems. I don’t think there are many other tasks I would say the same.
You just launch him below the lowest guy on the board.
 
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