NATCA asleep at the wheel again….

[CinderBlock]

To give an example of how out of touch the top FAA is, one of the reasons the EWR move was expected to work was because someone towards the top (unfortunately I can’t remember who) thought that you were a CPC once you finished the lab so that the staffing would be fine after a couple of months.

Probably didn’t help when the NTI rep “concurred” with the plan to conduct 70% of the training in the sims instead of live traffic.

 

[Bandit117]

To give an example of how out of touch the top FAA is, one of the reasons the EWR move was expected to work was because someone towards the top (unfortunately I can’t remember who) thought that you were a CPC once you finished the lab so that the staffing would be fine after a couple of months.

If you read/watch the now acting COOs testimony to Congress, he was asked why the EWR area had to move. He said “ the numbers said we had to move it for the long term health of the facility” or something about like that. The numbers mason! What do they mean!

No one asked if the “numbers” were actually relevant or how they arrived at them, and no one asked anyone at N90 if they thought it would be a good idea lol.

 

[32andBelow]

Allegedly NATCA is pushing for the house verbiage to be adopted in the combined bill and not the senate verbiage. Still insane they aren’t communicating the single biggest issue in this bill

 

[echster]

Allegedly NATCA is pushing for the house verbiage to be adopted in the combined bill and not the senate verbiage. Still insane they aren’t communicating the single biggest issue in this bill

I'm not at all convinced there will be a conference between the House and Senate to work out the differences in their reconciliation bills.

My two cents: If a reconciliation bill makes it out of he Senate, the House will go with it. I only say this because the big hold-up over SALT has apparently already been resolved and the Senate amended their SALT portion over the weekend.

 

[echster]

Et tu, Brute?

Opinion piece on Fox News website, going all-in on equipment and technology, by..... Paul Rinaldi.

Former air traffic controller: Our air traffic system is being held together with eBay parts

National Airspace System runs on antiquated technology while handling 45,000 daily flights. Upgrades need Senate OK of FAA funding beyond the $12.5 billion House bill

www.foxnews.com

 

[ManBearPig]

I'm not at all convinced there will be a conference between the House and Senate to work out the differences in their reconciliation bills.

My two cents: If a reconciliation bill makes it out of he Senate, the House will go with it. I only say this because the big hold-up over SALT has apparently already been resolved and the Senate amended their SALT portion over the weekend.

From my understanding they literally have to conference. It is possible the House concedes everything, but IDK if thats realistic.

 

[Gauff]

From my understanding they literally have to conference. It is possible the House concedes everything, but IDK if thats realistic.

Well what is realistic is our own union selling us out for the gain of a select few. I also expect our union to negotiate on the behalf of a career field they don't represent because It'll look good and help national members down the line

 

[Nothanks]

Well what is realistic is our own union selling us out for the gain of a select few. I also expect our union to negotiate on the behalf of a career field they don't represent because It'll look good and help national members down the line

You have no idea what anyone is doing on your behalf in DC. You quit the union long ago, get over it dude. You got your raise and you get no vote on who speaks for you now locally or nationally.

 

[ManBearPig]

Well what is realistic is our own union selling us out for the gain of a select few. I also expect our union to negotiate on the behalf of a career field they don't represent because It'll look good and help national members down the line

NATCA is actively pushing back on the current Senate language and trying to get the House or alternate Senate language inserted.

 

[32andBelow]

NATCA is actively pushing back on the current Senate language and trying to get the House or alternate Senate language inserted.

but not informing any members

 

[zuluyankee]

NATCA really needs to be decertified. Like yesterday.

The thing I don't get about this argument is who do you think would end up in leadership of the "new NATCA?" You just remove one name and add another but the same old political machine is there and will elect the same people.

Unless all the non-members see decertification as a justification to sign back up and push a reform party.

It's not like by reorganizing under the Teamsters we all of a sudden get Frank Sobotka from The Wire as the national president....

Also, I've heard that units that decertify are basically viewed as toxic by national labor organizations. Why waste money organizing them when they will decertify you when they are upset with the leadership they elected?

 

[CinderBlock]

Et tu, Brute?

Opinion piece on Fox News website, going all-in on equipment and technology, b..... Paul Rinaldi.

Former air traffic controller: Our air traffic system is being held together with eBay parts

National Airspace System runs on antiquated technology while handling 45,000 daily flights. Upgrades need Senate OK of FAA funding beyond the $12.5 billion House bill

www.foxnews.com

“Former air traffic controller” is a very generous description. When was the last time Paul legitimately worked traffic.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

“Former air traffic controller” is a very generous description. When was the last time Paul legitimately worked traffic.

Two decades ago or so

 

[ManBearPig]

but not informing any members

I am a member and I have been informed.
You have an emotional desire to be given information for no practical reason. Not everything the Union does is going to be email blasted to the entire membership. People already don't read the emails that are sent as it is.

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

but not informing any members

I do have to be fair and say Nick did mention this in the Sunday webinar.

 

[32andBelow]

I am a member and I have been informed.
You have an emotional desire to be given information for no practical reason. Not everything the Union does is going to be email blasted to the entire membership. People already don't read the emails that are sent as it is.

You think that consolidating 10 centers isn’t big information? It’s clear that they curate information based on their agenda. I think that any information directly for ATC should be communicated so the members know it’s not that much

 

[+TSRA]

I've found, not that I agree, most CPCs just go along with the plan. Part of the reason natca tanked is because most of its members don't want to fight for anything. Most are just desperate to keep a job so they'll just keep taking the punches. Not that they're happy but like everything/everwhere else, nobody really cares. They just go home, drink beer and play video games.

 

[echster]

While the House and Senate passed different reconciliation bills, news stories and comments from House leaders make it apparent that there will not be a conference committee to hash-out the differences. A conference committee is only required when either the House or Senate demands that their differences be reconciled. As it relates to the reconciliation bill, it appears the House will forego any differences and accept the Senate version without change.

So the FAA language in the Senate bill, with more detailed specifics related to facility ARTCC/TRACON consolidation, appears to be the final version.

Edit: The House has scheduled a vote on the Senate's version of the bill for tomorrow. If it passes, it goes to POTUS for signature.

 

[32andBelow]

While the House and Senate passed different reconciliation bills, news stories and comments from House leaders make it apparent that there will not be a conference committee to hash-out the differences. A conference committee is only required when either the House or Senate demands that their differences be reconciled. As it relates to the reconciliation bill, it appears the House will forego any differences and accept the Senate version without change.

So the FAA language in the Senate bill, with more detailed specifics related to facility ARTCC/TRACON consolidation, appears to be the final version.

Edit: The House has scheduled a vote on the Senate's version of the bill for tomorrow. If it passes, it goes to POTUS for signature.

No email to contact your congressman. It’s clear what they want. If you notice the only things they fight for are their own interest. Like their retirement

 

[Caerbannog]

The consolidated ARTCCs need to be located in Kansas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska to save money but ensure no one state receives too much monetary benefit. Because they are just radar rooms, the ARTCCs should be subterranean—no need for sunlight for the workforce, and this will protect them from tornadoes. On the surface level, the footprint should be leased to Bucc-ee's or Costco to help recoup costs—OT can be paid out in gift cards to the same institutions. If staffing challenges remain, we can create giant alligator moats to ensure employee retention. Monthly "chicken throws" may be utilized to improve morale of the alligators.

Idiocracy and Wall-E coming to life before our eyes.