New NCEPT MOU

Pickle Switch said:

I will never understand this shit. We are well over TSL, projected well over TSL with a handful of trainees to finish. No outbounds, and a selection would not take us below the TSL. Yet it says 0 Primary Releases??? WTF?!

I'm not disagreeing that it's a ton of words thrown in and all these formulas to come up with these releases. Look at TMB for example, as it's the highest staffed facility currently (by %), that has 0 primary releases available. At first, it makes NO sense why a facility that is 112% staffed, can't release anyone. But do some digging and you can see why. They already have 4 people committed outbound which drops their % down to 88.2% then. Losing one more person would then drop them below the TSL. Somehow, it actually checks out that it's correct that they can't release anyone.

You can see the formulas on the excel file and trace all the columns out to find out EXACTLY how they get the answers they get but it's so convoluted to do it. Probably using an AI program would help break it down but still, it shouldn't be this complicated. I'm guessing, your facility is probably in the same boat as TMB or something like it.

Is the list not coming out today?

Billybob said:

Is the list not coming out today?

R atc2 has the list

RAZE_NOW said:

R atc2 has the list

It's wild too. So many lvl 5/6s to lvl 12 facilties.

A lot of across town moves too I.e. ZTL -> A80

KiloZulu said:

It's wild too. So many lvl 5/6s to lvl 12 facilties.

A nice bone to people who were perpetually stuck making sub $100k pay. Now they have a chance to make decent mulahs.

AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise said:

A lot of across town moves too I.e. ZTL -> A80

15k to get some spot leave approved and weekends/holidays off while waiting for a tsew date, month long vacation in okc, then dragging out training for a year before withdrawing after seeing it ain't worth it even though you realized that 2 months in but didn't want to pay back the bonus. Then get to enjoy some more spot leave/weekends when you re-enter training at ZTL. Not a bad gig

Edit: How could I forget those 8 days of COS on both sides to go along with it for that big cross town move!

Here's the list from the natca website.

Acquired Taste said:

15k to get some spot leave approved and weekends/holidays off while waiting for a tsew date, month long vacation in okc, then dragging out training for a year before withdrawing after seeing it ain't worth it even though you realized that 2 months in but didn't want to pay back the bonus. Then get to enjoy some more spot leave/weekends when you re-enter training at ZTL. Not a bad gig

Edit: How could I forget those 8 days of COS on both sides to go along with it for that big cross town move!

Stop telling everyone my high three plan

Tater_Toad said:

Because then you get the good ole boys mentality creating a toxic workplace and violating the EEOC in a way that is impossible to stop

Somehow management gets away with doing exactly this.

Acquired Taste said:

15k to get some spot leave approved and weekends/holidays off while waiting for a tsew date, month long vacation in okc, then dragging out training for a year before withdrawing after seeing it ain't worth it even though you realized that 2 months in but didn't want to pay back the bonus. Then get to enjoy some more spot leave/weekends when you re-enter training at ZTL. Not a bad gig

Edit: How could I forget those 8 days of COS on both sides to go along with it for that big cross town move!

Do you really get COS if you’re not changing government recognized city or whatever

32andBelow said:

Do you really get COS if you’re not changing government recognized city or whatever

I'd be willing to bet they don't get it. In my academy class was a dude from OKC and they told him to kick rocks for per diem.

At the same time I wouldn't be surprised if they did give COS, though. After like 26 years of federal service I've seen they very often do the opposite of what one would think they would or should do.

There was no COS when I started and I'm still mad lol.

32andBelow said:

Do you really get COS if you’re not changing government recognized city or whatever

Article 29 Section 4 says up to 64 hours of excused absence when changing duty stations regardless if there is a change in residence or not.

Now...if the union had spine to enforce it is a different story.

Pretty sure I saw coworkers doing cross-town facility changes in the LA area get the COS and nobody blinked about it. You change facilities, you get it.

Doesn’t the new NCEPT MOU say you don’t get COS?

you’re not entitled to PCS move money. Change of station leave is contractual

wrench978 said:

you’re not entitled to PCS move money. Change of station leave is contractual

The question is where is station defined. If you transfer from anchorage approach to anchorage tower so you get it for moving up an elevator

Yeah, I don’t have the definitive answer for that. I was responding to the comment above mine.

wrench978 said:

Yeah, I don’t have the definitive answer for that. I was responding to the comment above mine.

I’d wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the 40 mile diameter or whatever that the government uses for things like per diem.

Typically it’s negotiated locally, because the contract is vague as to what is required for it. I’ve seen districts push back on same-city transfers, but if you can make an argument that you’re doing something incidental to changing facilities then it should be granted.