Rich Santa - Accomplishments, FAA Reauthorization, and Pay. Focus on the Issues!

I mean you could call the President of the union if you want. I talk to my RVP Brian, not Rich.
I bet you’re an absolute gem in your RVP’s eyes. Texting/calling him everytime you have a question about Rich so you can put your own interpretation into it and post it in here and Reddit. You sir, respectfully are a nuisance and very few people within these internet ATC forums have aligning thoughts with yours.

We are not voting for Rich and none of your fanboy pandering will change our minds. Do yourself a favor and save the energy.


/SIGNED/

-All of us
 
I bet you’re an absolute gem in your RVP’s eyes. Texting/calling him everytime you have a question about Rich so you can put your own interpretation into it and post it in here and Reddit. You sir, respectfully are a nuisance and very few people within these internet ATC forums have aligning thoughts with yours.

We are not voting for Rich and none of your fanboy pandering will change our minds. Do yourself a favor and save the energy.


/SIGNED/

-All of us
Ask your rep. Don’t ask your rep. You’re a nuisance. Did you ask your rep?! Or RVP?! You can’t win with you people.
 
I bet you’re an absolute gem in your RVP’s eyes. Texting/calling him everytime you have a question about Rich so you can put your own interpretation into it and post it in here and Reddit. You sir, respectfully are a nuisance and very few people within these internet ATC forums have aligning thoughts with yours.

We are not voting for Rich and none of your fanboy pandering will change our minds. Do yourself a favor and save the energy.


/SIGNED/

-All of us
I just asked the majority of the people on the ATC forums and they support me. They’re mad at you for writing this.

I may run for President of .65 and hold office here and on Reddit we’ll see
 
It feels like the only reason that Rich is offering to open is because the masses have forced his hand. The pressure exerted upon all the candidates has been enormous and they risk the wrath of the membership by extension.
Luckily that’s the point, if you want to keep your job, you better listen to those you work for! Might be too little too late but I’m happy to see the point is being made that we NEED to address pay. Period.
Truly curious. Does anyone have an actual thought on what could be a realistic raise that could be negotiated? I’d love 50% but I’m also a realist. Love to hear anyone who is smarter than me that could give me a number pointing to history as to why!
 
Ask your rep. Don’t ask your rep. You’re a nuisance. Did you ask your rep?! Or RVP?! You can’t win with you people.
You people? All I did was highlight the fact that he [Lenny] seems to think that his RVP has to answer his every beck & call inquiry and then posts it online… which is probably really annoying. I didn’t say anything else about communicating with an RVP or not…?

I just asked the majority of the people on the ATC forums and they support me. They’re mad at you for writing this.

I may run for President of .65 and hold office here and on Reddit we’ll see
Oblige us with this, “majority.” All I’ve seen on here is you getting drug because you can’t wipe the Rich Santa stars out of your eyes. And you might as well just proclaim yourself .65 prez, you’ve already done the same thing in Reddit and it was an absolute fucking laughing stock.
 
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Luckily that’s the point, if you want to keep your job, you better listen to those you work for! Might be too little too late but I’m happy to see the point is being made that we NEED to address pay. Period.

Truly curious. Does anyone have an actual thought on what could be a realistic raise that could be negotiated? I’d love 50% but I’m also a realist. Love to hear anyone who is smarter than me that could give me a number pointing to history as to why!
The realistic situation is our contract is not getting extended. All 3 NATCA candidates are campaigning on not extending. The real world shit is that the FAA has no intention to extend. The last 2 contract negotiations (red and slate book) both open with the FAA offering split pay bands. The next negotiations will be no different. With the FAA not requesting more appropriations, they will claim the need to cut pay of new hires to be able to afford the hiring numbers forced in FAA Reauthorization. This is all tip of the iceberg shit if Trump wins. Biden has done jack shit for us. Trump without Meadows will try to destroy us.
 
The realistic situation is our contract is not getting extended. All 3 NATCA candidates are campaigning on not extending. The real world shit is that the FAA has no intention to extend. The last 2 contract negotiations (red and slate book) both open with the FAA offering split pay bands. The next negotiations will be no different. With the FAA not requesting more appropriations, they will claim the need to cut pay of new hires to be able to afford the hiring numbers forced in FAA Reauthorization. This is all tip of the iceberg shit if Trump wins. Biden has done jack shit for us. Trump without Meadows will try to destroy us.
I agree with this take, except that the FAA doesn’t need to claim more appropriations now. With the passing of the FAA Reauth Bill and shortly being signed into law, the FAA will arbitrarily get $105 billion toward all of the outlined goals in the bill.
 
You people? All I did was highlight the fact that he [Lenny] seems to think that his RVP has to answer his every beck & call inquiry and then posts it online… which is probably really annoying. I didn’t say anything else about communicating with an RVP or not…?


Oblige us with this, “majority.” All I’ve seen on here is you getting drug because you can’t wipe the Rich Santa stars out of your eyes.
The number one go to bullshit line by NATCA when they don’t communicate is. “Did you ask him?!”
 
The number one go to bullshit line by NATCA when they don’t communicate is. “Did you ask him?!”
Ahh I see what you’re saying, and you’re right af there. I was just attacking Lenny for constantly bothering his RVP in the name of being a Rich Santa simp. My energy ends there lol.
 
I may run for President of .65

one of the stranger side effects of brain worms is making people think they can be president
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I just asked the majority of the people on the ATC forums and they support me. They’re mad at you for writing this.

I may run for President of .65 and hold office here and on Reddit we’ll see
Lol you run unopposed... Even an idiot like you can do that... Being president of a loser sub like atc2 and winning unopposed... Lame. You are trying to hard for rich and mike... And it is nauseating
 
The realistic situation is our contract is not getting extended. All 3 NATCA candidates are campaigning on not extending. The real world shit is that the FAA has no intention to extend. The last 2 contract negotiations (red and slate book) both open with the FAA offering split pay bands. The next negotiations will be no different. With the FAA not requesting more appropriations, they will claim the need to cut pay of new hires to be able to afford the hiring numbers forced in FAA Reauthorization. This is all tip of the iceberg shit if Trump wins. Biden has done jack shit for us. Trump without Meadows will try to destroy us.
Then let him destroy us and see what happens to the industry. Stop being a scared bitch.

Truly curious. Does anyone have an actual thought on what could be a realistic raise that could be negotiated? I’d love 50% but I’m also a realist. Love to hear anyone who is smarter than me that could give me a number pointing to history as to why!
This is one piece of information we have. I’m sure there’s better ones if you go digging.

The aviation industry is more important now than it has ever been in human history (obviously). It will only continue to compound.

Nothing short of upper middle class is acceptable for what is contributed to the economy/society as a whole.

What “class” label do you consider appropriate for this income range?
 

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Not Happening No Way GIF

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To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”


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The realistic situation is our contract is not getting extended. All 3 NATCA candidates are campaigning on not extending. The real world shit is that the FAA has no intention to extend. The last 2 contract negotiations (red and slate book) both open with the FAA offering split pay bands. The next negotiations will be no different. With the FAA not requesting more appropriations, they will claim the need to cut pay of new hires to be able to afford the hiring numbers forced in FAA Reauthorization. This is all tip of the iceberg shit if Trump wins. Biden has done jack shit for us. Trump without Meadows will try to destroy us.
Where do you get the claim they aren’t asking for more appropriations?
 
Where do you get the claim they aren’t asking for more appropriations?
The FAA budget request for FY2024 is in line with the slight bump in requested money it has asked for over the past 5 years. There is not a significant increase in operations appropriations to cover the kind of hiring NATCA wants. FAA appropriations needs were also discussed at NiW this year. And this is just a request... Congress has to actually appropriate the money. 1000006598.jpg1000006600.jpg
 
The FAA budget request for FY2024 is in line with the slight bump in requested money it has asked for over the past 5 years. There is not a significant increase in operations appropriations to cover the kind of hiring NATCA wants. FAA appropriations needs were also discussed at NiW this year. And this is just a request... Congress has to actually appropriate the money. View attachment 9567View attachment 9568
must have been before the Reauth Bill. Here is the FY25 request.

 

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