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[Soul_Controller]

OS's getting deviations is bullshit. Fight all of them.

The first couple of NCEPTs were actually kinda wild with movement. Something like 320 moved each panel.

Yeah, turns out the national average goes down after every panel, lol

 

[32andBelow]

I agree, but with the last forty years in mind what exactly would be your recommendation? We all sit with our thumbs up our asses and continue to wait for the Union to “promote movement?”

Anyone can apply to any opening like any other job.

 

[SquawkHijack]

Anyone can apply to any opening like any other job.

Yep, that’s why I brought up the dozens who are jumping ship and going DoD or OS.

OS's getting deviations is bullshit. Fight all of them.

The first couple of NCEPTs were actually kinda wild with movement. Something like 320 moved each panel.

The first couple of NCEPTs were during a different staffing situation and the panel itself wasn’t subject to different collaborative factors that are in place now. That’s an apples to oranges comparison of NCEPT. But gaddam, I’d love to see a panel with 320 movements now!

 

[Nothanks]

Bear in mind, NATCA has “collaborated” to make NCEPT as broken as it is now. An example being implementing the non-waiverable 85% to target release threshold when we used to use the national average. Yet OSs and other prospective management plebs get staffing deviations? Are we gonna pretend like there aren’t dozens taking sup gigs because NCEPT is collaboratively useless?

And I’m not saying to “let everyone move.” In prior comments I proposed an idea to not use the national average with CRWG numbers for a one year pause on movements in hopes to create a steady stream (not a surge) of them after, which was something I thought of with EVERYONE in mind. So with that part said, kindly frigg off with your “but also” energy.

So you want to pause movements for an entire year ?

 

[FightingIrish2012]

So you want to pause movements for an entire year ?

Movements about to be paused for 4-5 years bro lol. Once the new CWRG numbers hit only 3 facilities can release if they keep the current rules. Which they will, as the FAA and NATCA agree is one of the only ways to catch up on staffing and they don’t think enough people have the balls to quit.

 

[Nothanks]

Movements about to be paused for 4-5 years bro lol. Once the new CWRG numbers hit only 3 facilities can release if they keep the current rules. Which they will, as the FAA and NATCA agree is one of the only ways to catch up on staffing and they don’t think enough people have the balls to quit.

Dont worry, I’ll remind you of this post after every panel. We’ll see how close you are to being accurate.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

Dont worry, I’ll remind you of this post after every panel. We’ll see how close you are to being accurate.

Sounds good man, I would offer you a wager but I don’t want to rip you off since I have insider information.

 

[Nothanks]

Sounds good man, I would offer you a wager but I don’t want to rip you off since I have insider information.

What’s the wager ? Lay it out for me

 

[GulfCharlie]

Movements about to be paused for 4-5 years bro lol. Once the new CWRG numbers hit only 3 facilities can release if they keep the current rules. Which they will, as the FAA and NATCA agree is one of the only ways to catch up on staffing and they don’t think enough people have the balls to quit.

Hold my beer, DoD about to be fat staffed and other FAA LOB's.

 

[32andBelow]

Idk how people couldn’t clearly see that CRWG is going to suck

 

[SquawkHijack]

So you want to pause movements for an entire year ?

In order to let a bunch of certifications and hiring occur and then use the national average to release after a year so that it would start a steady stream of releases which would mean hope for everyone. Not just opening the flood gates and then we’re back to where we are now.

Also, way to answer my question on what exactly you’d recommend instead. 👍🏻

 

[SquawkHijack]

Idk how people couldn’t clearly see that CRWG is going to suck

Things already suck…

 

[Nothanks]

In order to let a bunch of certifications and hiring occur and then use the national average to release after a year so that it would start a steady stream of releases which would mean hope for everyone. Not just opening the flood gates and then we’re back to where we are now.

Also, way to answer my question on what exactly you’d recommend instead. 👍🏻

You never asked me anything ?


You said “ sit with our thumbs up our asses waiting for the union to promote moment” or close to that


I replied and said “the union does promote movement”

Then you said we should stop moves for a year.

You are all over the place.

 

[FlightOfTheShortGuy]

Idk how people couldn’t clearly see that CRWG is going to suck

I look at it in a long term lens. It will be tough to get there but in 10 years the CRWG will be a good thing.

 

[GulfCharlie]

I look at it in a long term lens. It will be tough to get there but in 10 years the CRWG will be a good thing.

Aye, but just in time for the next wave of retirements.

 

[32andBelow]

I look at it in a long term lens. It will be tough to get there but in 10 years the CRWG will be a good thing.

For who? Why are we punished for it? This isn’t the military where they should just treat us all like little pegs to move around. We basically take the L right now for something that they may or may not accomplish.

 

[Nothanks]

For who? Why are we punished for it? This isn’t the military where they should just treat us all like little pegs to move around. We basically take the L right now for something that they may or may not accomplish.

It’s in law, the reports to congress from AFN will forever be different. Accurate reporting to congress is what was needed for the last 30 years. It’s finally here. No one should have to deal with staffing bullshit again. There will be small ups and downs but not what we are seeing now.

How about the people that took a loss through the white book because John Carr wouldn’t accept a 30% pay cut for new hires?

Everyone wants instant results, it doesn’t work that way.

 

[32andBelow]

It’s in law, the reports to congress from AFN will forever be different. Accurate reporting to congress is what was needed for the last 30 years. It’s finally here. No one should have to deal with staffing bullshit again. There will be small ups and downs but not what we are seeing now.

How about the people that took a loss through the white book because John Carr wouldn’t accept a 30% pay cut for new hires?

Everyone was instant results, it doesn’t work that way.

I don’t know how you think this equates to immediate compliance with training thousands of extra controllers. We shouldn’t have to give up anything on our side because the FAA didn’t hire enough people

 

[Nothanks]

I don’t know how you think this equates to immediate compliance with training thousands of extra controllers. We shouldn’t have to give up anything on our side because the FAA didn’t hire enough people

What are we giving up ?

 

[32andBelow]

What are we giving up ?

Transfers are inhibited. Also them doing their job can’t be a big “win” for us