Zs would be a completely separate formula than terminal facilities.
I'm sure the people who are stuck at a level 4 would love knowing they can lose all their raises if they want an actual raise
I didn’t read the other thread in depth but, unless i misunderstood it, you keep your raises when you transfer and it just gets added in once you cpc at the new fac? If not, you lose the raises now as it stands, so the only thing that would change is you get a little extra help while being stuck and/or wanting to stay at a facility. Don’t see how that’s a negative 🤷♂️
Let's keep el ocho out of this, okay pal?! 🤣
Considering those are the ones going to dream slots for a lot of us, I agree with this take
So a Z controller that works 2 A380s in an hour should get paid more than the Z controller working 50 biz jets into Aspen that each have 3 people on board?
It takes an incredible amount of skill to say “AFR123 XXX Center Roger.” Then hit the datacomm TOC to switch them to the next sector.
They are separate. And slow areas don’t always drag you down but yes sometimes they can. The union has not and would likely never support pay by area because it would generate a net loss in FPL/wages.
Also helps the people that already got helped by hitting the facility lotto from the start.
True but if you live your life worrying about what someone else is getting instead of focusing on you and your family (which sums up a lot of this workforce), it’s going to lead to a lot of unnecessary misery.
Maybe I should’ve put /s at the end of my post. Relax, man.
My bad. Doesn’t translate well over text haha
That is a common problem throughout the NAS but that’s not what I was getting at. I meant was who really needs the help more? Triage. Priority. Always relevant.
Your post didn’t indicate you disagreed with the idea, just that people placed at what is deemed a desirable facility shouldn’t get it. So, how do you determine who should/shouldn’t benefit? I think everyone should benefit from something like this instead of “well, you were placed at DEN, so you don’t need this.” Should be about the overall collective and not just individual. The main point of this thread is about getting a raise/more money for people in the interim whilst they try to convince Congress to give us something substantial or increase the pay bands overall.
That Z controller in the second scenario is getting paid the same as the ZSE controller working minimal traffic 😊. And two levels lower than the TRACON they feed 😊, and less than most the 11 Zs who work less traffic 😊
I’m for any raise, sure. But they got 99 problems to solve before they get to ‘how do we help only the people who are happy where they’re currently stationed’
I feel like you’re not understanding or purposely glossing over the entire idea just to focus on how to make sure someone that is happy doesn’t get the same benefit as those who aren’t where they want to be..
