Peter Gibbons
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You misspelled "force nonunion scabs to contribute to the organization which collectively bargains on their behalf."
...although that argument seems a little specious now I guess, what with the extension.
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I thought you meant the JnJ changes our dna
My point is that “get vaccinated because you’ll stay out of the hospital” is pretty much debunked when there’s a 50/50 ratio of vaccinated/unvaccinated people in the hospital. I posted multiple sources to support that. I don’t see how that’s misrepresenting data?
At best, it shows that that taking point is unreliable/not guaranteed and should be avoided, even if it isn’t a proven fact.
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There’s not a 50/50 ratio. You live in a fantasy world
COVID-19: 99% of hospital admissions were among those not fully vaccinated
While COVID-19 cases continue to spike across the US, the overwhelming majority of deaths and hospitalizations from the virus continue to overwhelmingly be among unvaccinated Americans, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
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CDC study: Unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to die of Covid-19
A trio of new studies from the CDC shows that Covid-19 vaccines remain highly effective against severe illness.
www.vox.com
See the Data on Breakthrough Covid Hospitalizations and Deaths by State (Published 2021)
Coronavirus cases that send vaccinated people to the hospital or cause death have been relatively rare, a New York Times analysis of state data shows.
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Everything You Need to Know | Healthline
Live news & updates on the Coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak
www.healthline.com
COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Cases: Data from the States | KFF
We reviewed the websites and other official state sources for all 50 states and D.C. to see which are providing data on COVID-19 breakthrough cases, hospitalizations and deaths, how regularly, and what those data may tell us.
www.kff.org
These charts show that COVID-19 vaccines are doing their job
COVID-19 shots may not always prevent infections, but for now, they are keeping the vast majority of vaccinated people out of the hospital.
www.sciencenews.org
CDC study shows unvaccinated people are 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid
The new CDC study also found that unvaccinated people were nearly five times more likely to be infected with Covid than vaccinated people.
Study finds COVID-19 vaccines prevent hospitalizations, deaths
Vaccination against COVID-19 significantly reduces the risk of hospitalization or death from the novel coronavirus, according to results of a Beaumonth Health study.
www.detroitnews.com
Take your pick. Just a cursory search of articles that have come out in the past week.
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Two important takes from those link dumps:
From the Fox News link 32 posted:
“Between Jan. 1 and Aug. 30, about 99 percent of hospital admissions were among those who hadn’t been fully inoculated, which is defined by the CDC as two weeks after the second dose of a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine or two weeks after Johnson & Johnson’s single-dose jab.”
Why is pre-delta variant data from January 1st being used to make a point now, in September? If it’s important that the delta variant is so different in lots of other things like vaccine spread, vulnerability to infection, etc, it doesn’t make logical sense to skew the data by mixing both together when it comes to hospitalizations, unless you’re trying to score political points.
I like the KFF link marshall posted, but it also used a January 1st start date. It also noted something important:
“The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) currently monitorshospitalizations and deaths, from any cause, among fully vaccinated individuals with COVID-19, but not breakthrough infections, which it stopped monitoring as of May 1. CDC presents this data in aggregate at the national level but not by state, and there is no single, public repository for data by state or data on breakthrough infections, since the CDC stopped monitoring them.”
The CDC stopping their monitoring of breakthrough infections is questionable at best, negligent at worst, especially with the topic we’re currently talking about.
Meanwhile, I posted data about hospitalizations that started being counted as early as June, when the delta variant hit most of the world. It paints a better picture of what’s going on right now, not skewing the data based on what happened in January.
Your links just reinforce my point that i think 4 months from now, when the data used is primarily from the delta variant and not pre-delta, the CDC will quietly revise these claims and say that the jab didn’t affect hospitalizations against the delta variant at all.
From the Fox News link 32 posted:
“Between Jan. 1 and Aug. 30, about 99 percent of hospital admissions were among those who hadn’t been fully inoculated, which is defined by the CDC as two weeks after the second dose of a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine or two weeks after Johnson & Johnson’s single-dose jab.”
Why is pre-delta variant data from January 1st being used to make a point now, in September? If it’s important that the delta variant is so different in lots of other things like vaccine spread, vulnerability to infection, etc, it doesn’t make logical sense to skew the data by mixing both together when it comes to hospitalizations, unless you’re trying to score political points.
I like the KFF link marshall posted, but it also used a January 1st start date. It also noted something important:
“The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) currently monitorshospitalizations and deaths, from any cause, among fully vaccinated individuals with COVID-19, but not breakthrough infections, which it stopped monitoring as of May 1. CDC presents this data in aggregate at the national level but not by state, and there is no single, public repository for data by state or data on breakthrough infections, since the CDC stopped monitoring them.”
The CDC stopping their monitoring of breakthrough infections is questionable at best, negligent at worst, especially with the topic we’re currently talking about.
Meanwhile, I posted data about hospitalizations that started being counted as early as June, when the delta variant hit most of the world. It paints a better picture of what’s going on right now, not skewing the data based on what happened in January.
Your links just reinforce my point that i think 4 months from now, when the data used is primarily from the delta variant and not pre-delta, the CDC will quietly revise these claims and say that the jab didn’t affect hospitalizations against the delta variant at all.
Must be nice your local provides wifi!!!
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I guess you’re smarter than all the doctors and scientists
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Well my mind is certainly changed on this topic.
And we’re back to the ad homenims ?
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Hey at least they provide wifi but talk shit behind your back. Which one do you prefer?
32andBelow
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Bah like 10 articles got posted totally disputing your take.
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ITT:
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It’s pretty disingenuous to compare hospital data from a country with universal healthcare and ours don’t you think? And reference that Massachusetts cluster, you’re conveniently leaving out the stat that really matters. Here ya go:
Nearly 60% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Israel fully vaccinated, data shows
Of 514 patients in Israel hospitalized with COVID-19 as of Aug. 15, 59 percent were fully vaccinated, according to an Aug. 16 report from Science, citing a study from Israel's largest HMO. The figures suggest breakthrough infections may be more common than the term implies.www.beckershospitalreview.com
CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated
The CDC data published Friday was based on 469 cases of Covid associated with multiple summer events and large public gatherings in July in Massachusetts.www.cnbc.com
Keep digging
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It’s skewed a little since it assumes no one has natural immunity but it’s going to happen as the amount of people with no immunity decreases the share of people with prior immunity in hospitals will go up not down.
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