It was and still is unconstitutional. Unfortunately the damage has already been done as 98% of the govt is vaxxed.
Sign me up for the eventual class action lawsuit tho
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Sign me up for the eventual class action lawsuit tho
32andBelow
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It’s gonna go to the Supreme Court and get ruled constitutional
That's what Jen Psaki says, the govt wouldn't lie to you would it? LOL
Lots of precedence already set. Check out this article.
Postal Service Off the Hook for Vaccine-or-Test Mandate Following Supreme Court Ruling
USPS had warned implementing the rule would have "catastrophic" results.
www.govexec.com
32andBelow
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Cus the post office was under the osha rule. I don’t know of any cases where a mandate by the employer has been struck down. If the post office made their own mandate I think it would be valid.Lots of precedence already set. Check out this article.
Postal Service Off the Hook for Vaccine-or-Test Mandate Following Supreme Court Ruling
USPS had warned implementing the rule would have "catastrophic" results.
Do you know of any cases where a mandate by an employer has been struck down?
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I thought their union basically fought for the employees and told OHSA to F off. After court ruled them unconstitutional some still kept the mandate; wouldn’t that open them for lawsuits btw? Serious question.
And I did hear Starbucks stopped mandating vax.
hey now, The Big Guy is proud of his 40-something year old son for kicking his crack habit! lol
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Court ruled that ohsa couldn’t make businesses require it. But I don’t think it said anything about businesses requiring it on their own.
All the airlines still require it for example.
But then some companies like Starbucks Were complying with the osha rule but then that rule was struck down so they stopped their mandate.
But my understanding is plenty of courts and the Supreme Court have ruled employer created mandates legal. So I don’t see how our mandate is illegal. But who knows.
Also the military still requires it and they’ve even started firing people.
I wonder if they are just gonna have all the agencies make individual mandates for their particular agency.
Some Agencies Are Keeping a Vaccine Mandate in Place and Enforcing It
Enforcement of the requirement is paused for most federal workers, but not all.
www.govexec.com
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Yeah I did hear of a couple of guys being separated from the military under “failure to obey order” - but those guys wanted out anyway. I don’t blame them, it was their way.Court ruled that ohsa couldn’t make businesses require it. But I don’t think it said anything about businesses requiring it on their own.
All the airlines still require it for example.
But then some companies like Starbucks Were complying with the osha rule but then that rule was struck down so they stopped their mandate.
But my understanding is plenty of courts and the Supreme Court have ruled employer created mandates legal. So I don’t see how our mandate is illegal. But who knows.
Also the military still requires it and they’ve even started firing people.
I wonder if they are just gonna have all the agencies make individual mandates for their particular agency.
Some Agencies Are Keeping a Vaccine Mandate in Place and Enforcing It
Enforcement of the requirement is paused for most federal workers, but not all.
But if I business kept the mandate, which was already ruled unconstitutional, wouldn’t that open them to lawsuits? The court would eventually come back to the employee vs employer case and say “well, we already deemed this unconstitutional so idk why you’re keeping it” - my thoughts
Hunter was also selling art in or near the White House. What a joke
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Yep that's all accurate. Was more or less saying the last 300 years because it's topical to current events I don't think anyone is worried about Mongolia at this point haha. I'd also agree it's mostly paranoia, and it's absolutely being stoked by leadership and the state controlled media there.
Oh no arguments from me. Im not saying they are innocent in this.....far from it. However knowing what we know about the history, paranoia, justifications the Russian gov will use to justify this to their people..... Sending more to troops, to more countries and talk of adding more "buffer zone" states to NATO isn't helping one bit in deescalating.
I don't think this will happen. This will be a limited incursion to consolidate what they have in Crimea with the contested regions to the east, and secure the much needed water supply that's been shit off running down to Crimea.
In fact the Georgia/ s Ossetia situation is probably a great example of how this is gonna go. There will be some limited fighting and a new fence.
Honestly I think that is a little beyond the pale as they are actually NATO allies, and I think that decision to make them so, along with the talk of adding georgia back in the day has a big part in where we are today with Ukraine, outside of the Crimea situation, which is more a national pride thing than a NATO thing.
Would agree wholeheartedly letting any foreign nation dictate who you Ally with is a nonstarter.
I admittedly no relatively little about most of the stans, though if the Kazakhs last month are any indication the ties are still there.
Lol yup
I did not know that. That's wild.
I think that was all pretty spot on, and my intent was not to stan the baddies. The Russian gov is no friend of US interests, that's a given. I'm just making the viewpoint clear to 32andBelow who was like "how could they do this, how could Putin think this way?", As having that outside viewpoint as to why it's a bad idea and what we are doing is seen as escalation to them.
Fact of the matter is Russia is on a steep decline, population/birthrate is dropping, thier economy is lagging (GDP lower than Italy), and they got absolutely wrecked by COVID, and Putin needs a strong man win. Beating up on their historic red head stepchild of Ukraine is an easy way to do it.
I'm personally of the opinion once the oligarchs (and to a lesser extent the Russian people) there see gobbling up Ukraine isn't going to help thier woes, the problem will solve itself in time, and Ukraine doesn't necessarily do anything for us as stated previously, so why not just let it play out and not risk a major escalation?
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I don't know if it needs to be taught the way it is, or how it's being portrayed. How there's blame on all white people like kids in the class did something wrong. History should definitely still be taught, just taught correctly. No one race is to blame for anything in school and doing so is just teaching kids to judge early on in development. Just my .2¢
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I think it’s wrong to teach kids that something they didn’t do makes them bad, however I do not think it is wrong to teach them that they may have certain privileges that others don’t.
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^^^^this
I don’t think that should be taught until at the very least high school, especially not in the manner of the multiple examples that I listed, in two posts now, that most of you CRT proponents are conveniently ignoring. ?♂️
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I think this is a rational take that most people would absolutely agree with. I don't think elementary school kids and younger really understand the concept to begin with, though I think easing it in around middle school age isn't an awful idea. Therefore your pearl clutching articles are just that....pearl clutching.
like AB19 stated you can teach it without it being a struggle session, and they absolutely should.
How is it pearl clutching when we both (mostly) agree it’s being taught incorrectly? ? Two of the examples in this link are fifth graders.
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No OSHAs power to force businesses was found unconstitutional. Not businesses deciding themselves.
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This, but also the focus should be on how the course is taught. It has to be delivered to each student in a way that one doesn't feel obligated to hate another because of their skin color history. This will only happen when teachers wages are increased dramatically. Instead our politicians send a bill through Congress to create climate change police all around the world funded by the U.S. taxpayer.
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