Shoot The Breeze

[Peter Gibbons]

So if air traffic controllers began to be labelled as fascists due to actions of a few, and ATCs got spit on and had things thrown at them, you'd quit your job?

Also these things that are happening to ATCs would be ok because they volunteered for it?

Lmao wut? What would a controller do to be labeled a fascist, aside from post bad comparisons on a message board?

 

[grackfields420]

Alright man you're right I'm wrong you win lol

 

[Peter Gibbons]

Alright man you're right I'm wrong you win lol

You are wrong.

 

[DankVectorz]

 

[Komp]

I'm sure there aren't many people that would argue someone deserves to be arrested and charged for spitting in a police officer's face. However, police have a responsibility and are legally bound not to exceed the level of force necessary to detain a suspect. That girl clearly stepped back prior to the officer grabbing her and throwing her like a rag doll. It's hard to argue he was in immediate danger at that point, so self defense doesn't really enter into the assessment. He could have attempted to place her into custody without that level of force, then used added force if she resisted. You know, maybe inform her she's being arrested for assaulting a police officer and instructing her to take the actions he needs to peacefully detain her.

Assuming that was just some guy that threw a girl around like that because she spit in his face, I wouldn't view him as much of a man. Him having a uniform and a badge should elicit the same assessment.

 

[Mr.Tickles]

The frustrating thing is that what people are getting from my post is that they think I'm saying cops are being gassed and exterminated, which I didn't, and explicitly made clear that in essence labeling people and discriminating against them is bad and that idea is apparent in both the cop video *and* the holocaust. It would be easier to start screaming at me about a conclusion that I didn't make than to acknowledge what I'm saying though lol

I do get what you’re saying but I still don’t think it’s a great comparison. With cops a small portion of the population is actively combative and violent against them. The Jews has an entire government attempting to systematically erase them from the earth.

Ya a cop can turn his badge in, also they have the power in this situation, it's not the protesters punching down so to speak as it was with the nazis and the Jewish population. That's what really makes his comparison asinine.

That’s a good point. While they are being targeted at a higher rate they still have the power of their respective cities and such behind them.

 

[SharkBait]

I'm sure there aren't many people that would argue someone deserves to be arrested and charged for spitting in a police officer's face. However, police have a responsibility and are legally bound not to exceed the level of force necessary to detain a suspect. That girl clearly stepped back prior to the officer grabbing her and throwing her like a rag doll. It's hard to argue he was in immediate danger at that point, so self defense doesn't really enter into the assessment. He could have attempted to place her into custody without that level of force, then used added force if she resisted. You know, maybe inform her she's being arrested for assaulting a police officer and instructing her to take the actions he needs to peacefully detain her.

Assuming that was just some guy that threw a girl around like that because she spit in his face, I wouldn't view him as much of a man. Him having a uniform and a badge should elicit the same assessment.

If I punch a cop (legally the same as spitting in their face) and take a step back it doesnt mean I didn't commit a crime. As soon as he grabbed her to detain her all the bystanders tried to "de-arrest" her. Its pretty clear you have never had any training/knowledge or been put in a situation such as this.

Same ppl said Kamala was bad cus she was an AG and put too many ppl in jail

People were saying she was a bad AG because she refused to allow evidence that would have freed a man from death row, also for her putting “over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations” and then laughing about having smoked marijuana herself.

Fact Check: Yes, Kamala Harris Opposed DNA Evidence for Death Row Inmate

Fact check - CLAIM: Kamala Harris "blocked evidence that would have freed an innocent man from death row." VERDICT: Mostly True.

www.breitbart.com

I'm seriously loving the people who voted for "law and order" are the same ones rallying outside polling stations with firearms. And calling for votes to not be counted.

Courts have upheld that you can practice your first and second amendments at the same time, I dont see an issue with it. Everyone should carry a gun who is comfortable with it in my mind.

 

[grackfields420]

I do get what you’re saying but I still don’t think it’s a great comparison. With cops a small portion of the population is actively combative and violent against them. The Jews has an entire government attempting to systematically erase them from the earth.

It's only not a great comparison if you go beyond what I actually said. If I said that the cops are going through what the jews in nazi Germany went through, then yes that would be an extremely poor comparison and in bad taste - because they aren't.

My comparison is that in both of these situations the core principle of what is happening is that a person is being unfairly labeled and then treated differently for it.

If someone goes beyond that statement then it no longer becomes a comparison that I made, it becomes a comparison that they made - am I crazy or does that make sense?

Also do you see the irony in the woman calling the cop a fascist, essentially implying he is a nazi, and that he's participating in what she believes to be a modern day holocaust? What do you think about that?

 

[Peter Gibbons]

If I punch a cop (legally the same as spitting in their face) and take a step back it doesnt mean I didn't commit a crime. As soon as he grabbed her to detain her all the bystanders tried to "de-arrest" her. Its pretty clear you have never had any training/knowledge or been put in a situation such as this.


People were saying she was a bad AG because she refused to allow evidence that would have freed a man from death row, also for her putting “over 1,500 people in jail for marijuana violations” and then laughing about having smoked marijuana herself.

Fact Check: Yes, Kamala Harris Opposed DNA Evidence for Death Row Inmate

Fact check - CLAIM: Kamala Harris "blocked evidence that would have freed an innocent man from death row." VERDICT: Mostly True.

www.breitbart.com

Courts have upheld that you can practice your first and second amendments at the same time, I dont see an issue with it. Everyone should carry a gun who is comfortable with it in my mind.

I agree. You'll never hear me argue against the second amendment aside from saying open carry is dumb from a tactical and societal standpoint.

But doing that outside a vote counting station during an election is an intimidation tactic, plain and simple. Let's not try and pretend like those dudes are out there trying to protest bad gun laws or are afraid the poll people are a threat to the protesters or some shit.

I do get what you’re saying but I still don’t think it’s a great comparison. With cops a small portion of the population is actively combative and violent against them. The Jews has an entire government attempting to systematically erase them from the earth.


That’s a good point. While they are being targeted at a higher rate they still have the power of their respective cities and such behind them.

Lmao wut? Cops are being "targeted"(whatever that means) at a higher rate than jews in the holocaust?

Wtf are you people smoking?

 

[grackfields420]

I'm sure there aren't many people that would argue someone deserves to be arrested and charged for spitting in a police officer's face. However, police have a responsibility and are legally bound not to exceed the level of force necessary to detain a suspect. That girl clearly stepped back prior to the officer grabbing her and throwing her like a rag doll. It's hard to argue he was in immediate danger at that point, so self defense doesn't really enter into the assessment. He could have attempted to place her into custody without that level of force, then used added force if she resisted. You know, maybe inform her she's being arrested for assaulting a police officer and instructing her to take the actions he needs to peacefully detain her.

Assuming that was just some guy that threw a girl around like that because she spit in his face, I wouldn't view him as much of a man. Him having a uniform and a badge should elicit the same assessment.

If you watch the video again the woman steps back several times, she does the same movement at 0:06 and 0:10 and really that's just a part how she moves when shes doing something like that. So she's not stepping back because she knows what she did was wrong and is trying to deescalate.

Also when you say you wouldn't view him as much of a man, how would your opinion change if the cop was a woman?

 

[SharkBait]

I agree. You'll never hear me argue against the second amendment aside from saying open carry is dumb from a tactical and societal standpoint.

But doing that outside a vote counting station during an election is an intimidation tactic, plain and simple. Let's not try and pretend like those dudes are out there trying to protest bad gun laws or are afraid the poll people are a threat to the protesters or some shit.

With people being stabbed in the street for their political affiliation I dont think its such a bad idea.

Proud Boys leader one of four stabbed after he was ‘jumped’ by BLM in DC

The leader of the far-right Proud Boys has said he was one of four people stabbed after being “jumped by Black Lives Matter” mob early Wednesday in Washington, DC.

nypost.com

 

[32andBelow]

you guys think 46th president gonna be Biden or vice premier Michael Penice

 

[Mr.Tickles]

Lmao wut? Cops are being "targeted"(whatever that means) at a higher rate than jews in the holocaust?

Wtf are you people smoking?

Lol goodness not what I meant at all.

I meant they’re being targeted at a higher rate more recently in the US. I wasn’t comparing them to Jews in the Holocaust at all. Seems i need to work on my wording. Lol

 

[Peter Gibbons]

With people being stabbed in the street for their political affiliation I dont think its such a bad idea.

Proud Boys leader one of four stabbed after he was ‘jumped’ by BLM in DC

The leader of the far-right Proud Boys has said he was one of four people stabbed after being “jumped by Black Lives Matter” mob early Wednesday in Washington, DC.

nypost.com

"proud boy" isn't a political affiliation, it's a hate group, and they've done plenty of their own violence.

I don't feel bad for them

 

[SharkBait]

"proud boy" isn't a political affiliation, it's a hate group, and they've done plenty of their own violence.

I don't feel bad for them

I guess we can agree to disagree on that one, no one deserves to be stabbed or murdered(in the portland case) because of their political / personal views regardless of if someone agrees with it or not.

 

[Komp]

If you watch the video again the woman steps back several times, she does the same movement at 0:06 and 0:10 and really that's just a part how she moves when shes doing something like that. So she's not stepping back because she knows what she did was wrong and is trying to deescalate.

Also when you say you wouldn't view him as much of a man, how would your opinion change if the cop was a woman?

No it wouldn't change my opinion. If you watch the video again, he adjusted his mask after she spit on him, then grabbed her and threw her. It's hard to understand that he needed to take that type of action, but had the time to adjust his mask but not the time to tell her he was arresting her. She may have had that coming to her, but when the police are involved it's usually because cooler heads need to prevail. He didn't throw her like that because he had to. He did it because he wanted to. How are people supposed to see police losing their temper (even in stressful situations), then rely on them to do the right thing when they encounter them?

 

[Mr.Tickles]

It's only not a great comparison if you go beyond what I actually said. If I said that the cops are going through what the jews in nazi Germany went through, then yes that would be an extremely poor comparison and in bad taste - because they aren't.

My comparison is that in both of these situations the core principle of what is happening is that a person is being unfairly labeled and then treated differently for it.

If someone goes beyond that statement then it no longer becomes a comparison that I made, it becomes a comparison that they made - am I crazy or does that make sense?

Also do you see the irony in the woman calling the cop a fascist, essentially implying he is a nazi, and that he's participating in what she believes to be a modern day holocaust? What do you think about that?

The reason I think it doesn’t work because the core of why theyre being targeted is different. I see what you’re saying but I just can’t say I agree with it being an appropriate comparison.

Oh I most certainly see the irony in it.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

 

[Merle]

Lol I’m seeing a lot of “ignored content” that seems like a good choice

 

[grackfields420]

The reason I think it doesn’t work because the core of why theyre being targeted is different. I see what you’re saying but I just can’t say I agree with it being an appropriate comparison.

Oh I most certainly see the irony in it.

I understand where you're coming from about it not being an appropriate comparison and I can appreciate the notion. I think the way we are looking at it is different - I believe that treating someone differently based on their race, sex, gender, beliefs, if they're a cop or not is discrimination. I'm not concerned about differentiating the cause of that discrimination (that's for people that write social science books), I'm more concerned that the discrimination is even there in the first place. I also do not believe that discrimination is ever justified. So I guess if you try to look at what I said through that lens it might make more sense. If not that's cool I'm just glad we have an understanding

No it wouldn't change my opinion. If you watch the video again, he adjusted his mask after she spit on him, then grabbed her and threw her. It's hard to understand that he needed to take that type of action, but had the time to adjust his mask but not the time to tell her he was arresting her. She may have had that coming to her, but when the police are involved it's usually because cooler heads need to prevail. He didn't throw her like that because he had to. He did it because he wanted to. How are people supposed to see police losing their temper (even in stressful situations), then rely on them to do the right thing when they encounter them?

So I watched the video again as you asked, he put on his mask after the two times she got in his face because while getting in his face and saying fuck you is legal and within her rights, perhaps some particles could get on his face, etc. and that's why he put it on to mitigate that

Now once she assaulted him, that's when he immediately grabbed her. The cop putting on his mask begins before she spat on him and right after the second fuck you. Do you see?

Alright now in the context of how police should be held to a higher standard in how they behave - YES now we can have a discussion about this one. Should the cop have verbally placed her under arrest rather than grabbing her? I think so! Is his reaction understandable that he was probably pissed the fuck off? I think so too, I would be pissed off as well. I don't think I could be a cop lol

Now this is just my opinion but tbh if he verbally placed her under arrest, I think she would've resisted and the outcome would've been the same anyway.