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[Phillyman2633]

This is the conservative mantra, has been since Reagan or earlier: "I got mine, fuck you."

Yeah, and the Democrat mantra is "Fuck you, give me what's yours."

We could do this all day.

 

[CF]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1313566291404312576

Oh yes. Let’s put one of the best political communicators in modern times in the spotlight right before an election, surely the right move for republicans. This guy’s stupidity is legendary.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

College is a business, why else would the most “rigorous, selective“ institutions have a near 100% acceptance rate for veterans? Uncle Sugar is gonna pay the rack rate is why.

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But everything you have said up to this point is literally not in your (middle class) best interest. You're championing these social causes that make you feel better but would not benefit you in any fasion.

If you want to vote left for gay marriage and pro-choice rights then I would agree, but dont pretend like government-run social programs wont directly affect your bottom line as an FAA Z-level employee that will be making over $150k eventually.

Personally, I find fuck you I got mine economics and social policies to be bad for society in general.

Billionaires' wealth rises to $10.2 trillion amid Covid crisis

Super-rich increase fortunes by more than a quarter during market turmoil

www.theguardian.com

Speaking of fuck you I got mine economics....

 

[rhombus]

Yeah, and the Democrat mantra is "Fuck you, give me what's yours."

We could do this all day.

 

[amaatc2020]

Anyone quitting the Union in January or hearing of others thinking about it? A handful of ppl have told me they're out due to the BLM affiliation

One CPC at my facility says he is getting out due to the BLM affiliation. Two other CPCs are getting out due to NATCAs support of NCEPT. I know of at least 3 trainees getting out, myself included.

 

[Shikaka]

Anyone quitting the Union in January or hearing of others thinking about it? A handful of ppl have told me they're out due to the BLM affiliation

Nah, one dude got real cranky when he thought they spelt MLB wrong, then he was OK after some mansplaining.

 

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Nah, one dude got real cranky when he thought they spelt MLB wrong, then he was OK after some mansplaining.

he/him

 

[SharkBait]

I think there are solutions to our nations college debt problem that could be agreed upon by most. Personally, I think General education classes should be illegal. I was never asked about my art history class in an airport management interview prior to becoming a controller. That would have reduced my debt by ~25%.

There is an easy solution for our college debt problem. Stop all bankruptcy protection on student loans, if you want to get a degree then you need to prove to the bank it will be a worthwhile endeavor.

 

[Shikaka]

There is an easy solution for our college debt problem. Stop all bankruptcy protection on student loans, if you want to get a degree then you need to prove to the bank it will be a worthwhile endeavor.

This.

 

[BigEggplant]

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Haha you got me there.

In all seriousness just remembering how hard it was to get accepted to state schools out of high school versus seeing a completely separate veterans admissions department to reap the post 9/11 GI bill benefits os pretty crazy.

When it comes to healthcare my late grandfather said it best. “if I have to pay more in taxes so that the poorest in our country can be healthy without going into massive debt... well, isn’t that the right thing to do?”

 

[Peter Gibbons]

Haha you got me there.

In all seriousness just remembering how hard it was to get accepted to state schools out of high school versus seeing a completely separate veterans admissions department to reap the post 9/11 GI bill benefits os pretty crazy.

When it comes to healthcare my late grandfather said it best. “if I have to pay more in taxes so that the poorest in our country can be healthy without going into massive debt... well, isn’t that the right thing to do?”

Same experience. If anything I was less prepared for college after time in the military. Who knew math was a perishable skill?

And ya, I totally understand and even agree with some of the "free" education being bad arguments, but Healthcare, environmental and infrastructure policy I don't think you can really make a cogent argument against. Those are all things thay benefit society as a whole greatly and we do a terrible job in this country at all of them.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

One CPC at my facility says he is getting out due to the BLM affiliation. Two other CPCs are getting out due to NATCAs support of NCEPT. I know of at least 3 trainees getting out, myself included.

I have heard stuff like that too, but we will see if people has the balls to follow through. The two other times I heard a decent amount of people vow to leave the union was about 5 years ago when NATCA raised the dues to your personal base pay not the base pay of your band and the old people on the top of the band said they would leave in mass, and last year when a lot of new controllers said they would leave over NCEPT.

Both years NATCA had a net increase in membership despite the claims of people to leave.

 

[Phillyman2633]

There is an easy solution for our college debt problem. Stop all bankruptcy protection on student loans, if you want to get a degree then you need to prove to the bank it will be a worthwhile endeavor.

I thought student loans weren't covered under bankruptcy protections?

 

[SharkBait]

I thought student loans weren't covered under bankruptcy protections

They are, or else everyone would just go to college, claim bankruptcy and then roll into life debt free.

 

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I have heard stuff like that too, but we will see if people has the balls to follow through. The two other times I heard a decent amount of people vow to leave the union was about 5 years ago when NATCA raised the dues to your personal base pay not the base pay of your band and the old people on the top of the band said they would leave in mass, and last year when a lot of new controllers said they would leave over NCEPT.

Both years NATCA had a net increase in membership despite the claims of people to leave.

Support for marxism, anarchy, racism, destruction of family, etc., is not similar to the other scenarios you cite. You must not have aced your SAT!

 

[Phillyman2633]

They are, or else everyone would just go to college, claim bankruptcy and then roll into life debt free.

I just Googled it, seems like it's possible but difficult. I dont think many people have been able to discharge them, especially privately-held ones.

That's going to be the next bubble to burst, the student loan bubble. $1.8t in student loans and probably a fuck ton of people right now not making/able to make payments.

 

[SharkBait]

I just Googled it, seems like it's possible but difficult. I dont think many people have been able to discharge them, especially privately-held ones.

That's going to be the next bubble to burst, the student loan bubble. $1.8t in student loans and probably a fuck ton of people right now not making/able to make payments.

Could you imagine a large portion of loans being defaulted in causing a financial meltdown? oh wait, we already had one of those. The only real question is when to move your funds to G.

 

[Phillytroll69]

Could you imagine a large portion of loans being defaulted in causing a financial meltdown? oh wait, we already had one of those. The only real question is when to move your funds to G.

I'll plug the tsp seasonal trading group

 

[Acquired Taste]

They’d be better off stimulating the economy by paying off people’s student loan, credit card, and car loan debt. It would free up cash for, not only families, but lenders. It would absolutely cost less than the last stimulus and this discussed one.

Fuck that. They borrowed the money and they got to live above their means in the past with the obligation to live below their means in the future in order to repay the debt. If they weren't willing to sacrifice in the future, they shouldn't have taken out that obligation. They didn't need to take that vacation or buy that 20k car or get that 100k degree for a 35k/yr job. Besides, paying off debt wouldn't stimulate the economy, it would only stimulate inflation and increase moral hazard. The supply of goods wouldn't increase but it would clear up the debt for all those who live beyond their means to go out and get indebted once more. It would encourage even the responsible people to go out and leverage themselves up to the moon knowing that if shit ever gets real bad, big daddy government will just come along and clean up the mess again in the future so why no live it up in the present?

The only real solution is for people to live below their means and be able to negotiate with their lenders via bankruptcy or some other form. Lenders have to accept they won't be paid back in full, but hey, that's part of the game. Shouldn't have made irresponsible loans. No bailouts for anyone. Handle it privately.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

Fuck that. They borrowed the money and they got to live above their means in the past with the obligation to live below their means in the future in order to repay the debt. If they weren't willing to sacrifice in the future, they shouldn't have taken out that obligation. They didn't need to take that vacation or buy that 20k car or get that 100k degree for a 35k/yr job. Besides, paying off debt wouldn't stimulate the economy, it would only stimulate inflation and increase moral hazard. The supply of goods wouldn't increase but it would clear up the debt for all those who live beyond their means to go out and get indebted once more. It would encourage even the responsible people to go out and leverage themselves up to the moon knowing that if shit ever gets real bad, big daddy government will just come along and clean up the mess again in the future so why no live it up in the present?

The only real solution is for people to live below their means and be able to negotiate with their lenders via bankruptcy or some other form. Lenders have to accept they won't be paid back in full, but hey, that's part of the game. Shouldn't have made irresponsible loans. No bailouts for anyone. Handle it privately.

If only this line of reasoning applied to big business and the financial sector as well as the little guy.

Fuck my neighbor I don't give a shit if he can't keep a roof over his head, gotta make sure the Wallstreet execs get their quarterly bonus though.