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Why am I gonna waste my time, going on Google and doing research for you to show that for example, the scandanavian countries all have a populace that has and strongly supports these policies I'm talking about (along with others like national public access hi speed internet) and generally live happier, healthier lives, or say that Germany, where a ceo on average makes "only" 8 or 10 times what thier workers make, yet are among the best in terms of product quality and innovation in everything from chemical manufacturing to cars to precision equipment of various types, or even looking back on pre digital revolution America when both tax rates on the wealthy were higher and labor union membership and protections where better and we were legitimately thriving, and so on and so forth with many more examples when you are just going to ignore it and argue the same old bootstraps and piss and vinegar arguments? I mean I straight up pointed out an article with numbers and facts in it and your argument was basically "we can't tax those guys, muh stonk market".

Seriously you are sitting here talking numbers while doing napkin math based on your own biases when you can look around the world right now, what with all the instant access knowledge afforded to you by the internet to see that you are way off in your basis of argument. I just don't get it.
 
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Why am I gonna waste my time, going on Google and doing research for you to show that for example, the scandanavian countries all have a populace that has and strongly supports these policies I'm talking about (along with others like national public access hi speed internet) and generally live happier, healthier lives, or say that Germany, where a ceo on average makes "only" 8 or 10 times what thier workers make, yet are among the best in terms of product quality and innovation in everything from chemical manufacturing to cars to precision equipment of various types, or even looking back on pre digital revolution America when both tax rates on the wealthy were higher and labor union membership and protections where better and we were legitimately thriving, and so on and so forth with many more examples when you are just going to ignore it and argue the same old bootstraps and piss and vinegar arguments? I mean I straight up pointed out an article with numbers and facts in it and your argument was basically "we can't tax those guys, muh stonk market".

Seriously you are sitting here talking numbers while doing napkin math based on your own biases when you can look around the world right now, what with all the instant access knowledge afforded to you by the internet to see that you are way off in your basis of argument. I just don't get it.
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Lol you didn't do it because you can't. You just base your entire argument on feelings. "Look, everyone else does it. The TV man told me how wonderful Scandinavia is. They're so much happier than I am. Bernie said all we have to do is tax the millionaires and billionaires. Eat the rich!" The math doesn't work. You're entire argument gets derailed when you try to figure out how it will be paid for. I said you can tax those guys, but you won't get nearly as much as you think you would. Your are so triggered by facts and logic that you can't get past your own bias to see that these things are impossible to pay for.
 
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Lol you didn't do it because you can't. You just base your entire argument on feelings. "Look, everyone else does it. The TV man told me how wonderful Scandinavia is. They're so much happier than I am. Bernie said all we have to do is tax the millionaires and billionaires. Eat the rich!" The math doesn't work. You're entire argument gets derailed when you try to figure out how it will be paid for. I said you can tax those guys, but you won't get nearly as much as you think you would. Your are so triggered by facts and logic that you can't get past your own bias to see that these things are impossible to pay for.
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It's impossible to pay for yet I gave you multiple examples of countries that are smaller with lower per capita gdps that do a lot of what I'm talking about, along with pointing to a time in our country's history when we taxed the rich at a higher rate and guess what... There was no economic collapse due to it. In fact, between the depression and the late 70s when the majority of the new deal legislation was removed and deregulation happened, this country saw constant, steady healthy economic growth, none of these boom bust cycles we see now that does nothing but transfer wealth to the alresdy wealthy and wipe out people's retirements. The whole world's knowledge is at your fingertips and I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain you out of a narrow worldview you obviously don't have any interest in expanding on.

No, I can't provide you with hard numbers anymore than you can tell me how much rocket fuel I need to get to the nearest star, because much like you aren't a rocket scientist, I'm not an economist, and even if I was you sure as fuck couldn't explain it in a paragraph or two post on an internet forum, so that whole point is moot.

All I can do is ask you if it's so impossible how the fuck does literally every other developed western nation manage to do it without having to dust off the guillotines or drive their countries into abject poverty?

The fact is most countries do these things and with less than we have here, and the logic is if they can why can't we? But ya I guess that's just my fee fees talking and all those places don't exist and those policies don't work for them in the least bit.
 
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It's impossible to pay for yet I gave you multiple examples of countries that are smaller with lower per capita gdps that do a lot of what I'm talking about, along with pointing to a time in our country's history when we taxed the rich at a higher rate and guess what... There was no economic collapse due to it. In fact, between the depression and the late 70s when the majority of the new deal legislation was removed and deregulation happened, this country saw constant, steady healthy economic growth, none of these boom bust cycles we see now that does nothing but transfer wealth to the alresdy wealthy and wipe out people's retirements. The whole world's knowledge is at your fingertips and I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain you out of a narrow worldview you obviously don't have any interest in expanding on.

No, I can't provide you with hard numbers anymore than you can tell me how much rocket fuel I need to get to the nearest star, because much like you aren't a rocket scientist, I'm not an economist, and even if I was you sure as fuck couldn't explain it in a paragraph or two post on an internet forum, so that whole point is moot.

All I can do is ask you if it's so impossible how the fuck does literally every other developed western nation manage to do it without having to dust off the guillotines or drive their countries into abject poverty?

The fact is most countries do these things and with less than we have here, and the logic is if they can why can't we? But ya I guess that's just my fee fees talking and all those places don't exist and those policies don't work for them in the least bit.
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I mean I am invested in the US and world market as much as any stable pay high dollar worker, probably more so. But anyone who has more than ten years to retire should definitely have some assets in Bitcoin or another major alt.

I would love for the US to succeed, because I love my country, but if it doesn’t I don’t want to be broke lol.
 
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