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“A statement from the San Marcos Police Department said after research of the incident and viewing online video, it appears the crash happened in their jurisdiction. “The at-fault vehicle may be the white SUV and the victim appears to be the black truck,” the statement continues. “Calls to the driver of the white SUV have gone unanswered and SMPD has not been contacted by the driver of the black truck. “

I mean.... Okay there is nothing in that article that says it didn't happen, just that it was still being investigated. The only mention of it being a hoax was from a gop party official who told a reporter to "prepare to lose" (? what? Is the reporter running for something)

I take it the fbi investigating it means there's something to the story.
 
I watched the full video earlier and to be fair here are my observations:

- The guys in the trucks with the trump flags shouldn't have been surrounding the bus like that to begin with cause its not funny or cool its just dangerous and ultimately a dick move, they shouldn't have done that
- The biden SUV was trying to run the black truck that was behind the biden bus off the road because it was in the black truck's lane the entire time, the biden SUV shouldn't have done that but I get why they did it
- The biden bus was crossing over into the occupied lane to the left of it because it was cornered, I get why they did it
- The biden vehicle actions were a result of them being surrounded by the trump vehicles, although in hindsight they could have called 911 and pulled over, its reasonable to say that a bunch of texan hillbillies that would do something like this might be violent if they got the bus to pull over

Note: I looked at the video on cnn as opposed to the full video just for a refresher while writing this and they edited out (I'm really not surprised) the part where the white biden SUV was in the black truck's lane for like at least 5-10 seconds and just kept the part where the black truck rammed the biden SUV FBI investigating alleged harassment of Biden campaign bus
If you go find the full video you can see what I'm talking about

All in all, I think the trump truckers are clearly in the wrong here and they have damaged their candidate's campaign - just like how I think the riots and violent protests have damaged biden's campaign
 
- just like how I think the riots and violent protests have damaged biden's campaign
See this I'll never understand. The riots and violent protests (whether it was warranted or not and which parties were being violent is another discussion) have zero to do with Joe Biden. I get perception is reality, but the perception that Joe "1994 crime bill" Biden and his cop running mate are somehow anti law and order are mind boggling to me.
 
See this I'll never understand. The riots and violent protests (whether it was warranted or not and which parties were being violent is another discussion) have zero to do with Joe Biden. I get perception is reality, but the perception that Joe "1994 crime bill" Biden and his cop running mate are somehow anti law and order are mind boggling to me.
Why doesn’t Joe Biden disavow antifa then?
 
Why doesn’t Joe Biden disavow antifa then?
Because there's nothing to disavow. It's an ideology, not an organization. Find me the ceo/president/commandant/General/tribal warlord of antifa, or any concrete structure for him to disavow.

I mean damn, not like he told them to stand by or is on Twitter rooting then on.
 
Because there's nothing to disavow. It's an ideology, not an organization. Find me the ceo/president/commandant/General/tribal warlord of antifa, or any concrete structure for him to disavow.

I mean damn, not like he told them to stand by or is on Twitter rooting then on.
So you’re saying you can’t disavow radical/violent “ideologies”? By the way, it’s such a great ideology that it’s members have to hide behind masks like militants. Nothing screams peaceful ideology like violent attacks and destruction.
 
So you’re saying you can’t disavow radical/violent “ideologies”? By the way, it’s such a great ideology that it’s members have to hide behind masks like militants. Nothing screams peaceful ideology like violent attacks and destruction.
No I'm saying with an idea as broad in spectrum of activism as ANTIFAscism, you can disavow actions, which he has, without disavowing the idea, which is antifascism. Kind of like how you can say....disavow islamist extremist terror attacks without saying the entirety of the religion is bad.

And yes, if you are participating in actions against a government you see as corrupt and maybe engage in a little light property destruction to show your displeasure, it's generally a good idea to hide your identity from said goverment, reference the Boston Tea Party.
 
No I'm saying with an idea as broad in spectrum of activism as ANTIFAscism, you can disavow actions, which he has, without disavowing the idea, which is antifascism. Kind of like how you can say....disavow islamist extremist terror attacks without saying the entirety of the religion is bad.

And yes, if you are participating in actions against a government you see as corrupt and maybe engage in a little light property destruction to show your displeasure, it's generally a good idea to hide your identity from said goverment, reference the Boston Tea Party.
Civil disobedience is only good when “we’re” doing it.
 
Inb4 someone replies to my thing about condoning violence with a YouTube link where Trump says “Of course I don’t condone violence, but” and then the video cuts out.
 
I think someone already mentioned it but the lack of self awareness of the Trump supporters blocking major roadways is:

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See this I'll never understand. The riots and violent protests (whether it was warranted or not and which parties were being violent is another discussion) have zero to do with Joe Biden. I get perception is reality, but the perception that Joe "1994 crime bill" Biden and his cop running mate are somehow anti law and order are mind boggling to me.

Yeah I feel you man, the riots and protests were initially due to police brutality. But because things have become so polarized and since identity politics is now the status quo, saying something like "yeah sure increased training for police but not are cops are bad" might elicit a response like oh you must be a trumpet or a nazi or something like that. The culture of civil discourse in this country is at an all time low, and so when its the norm to oversimplify (whether maliciously or not, for example memes that condense a complex issue into a few words) everything, then its natural to see glaring logical inconsistencies become realities.

So me personally, and I say this with complete honesty, idgaf about whos in office or not, nothings really changed at all in my view since I was born in the 90s, and up until now there has been no single issue that would have compelled me to overcome my apathy and actually go vote. I have no strong personal feelings about guns or abortions or LGBTQ rights or religion or health care or welfare etc because it doesn't affect me personally - and I am very aware that's a selfish thing but tbh that's the truth, and I do not doubt that's the case for a lot of other people too.

- I'm pro 2A but sure extensive background checks
- Pro choice
- Gay marriage sure idc doesn't affect me
- Dont mind calling a he a she or vice versa if it makes em feel better
- Against illegal aliens
- drastically reduce military spending and use the funds for domestic things, though I get why they don't

etc, my viewpoints pretty much in this day and age have me hated by both sides. but since I don't actually care about the issues enough at the end of the day it doesn't matter whos on the throne. But the one thing I actually do care somewhat about is law and order, and I really actually do mean that, I don't mean like the George floyd cop getting off, I literally mean law and order.

In the absence of law and order, there is unnecessary suffering. Take a look at any social upheaval (whether a good or and outcome was effected doesn't matter) in history and you'll see that there was a LOT of collateral damage.

some examples off the top of my head: french revolution, cultural revolution, the khmer rouge

I'm not saying BLM is pol pot, but what I am saying is rather than looting and saying fuck the police, why not spend your political capital on effecting the passing of legislation and regulations that would benefit whatever it is that you're protesting for?

Whereas in the 1950s and 60s you had people marching peacefully for things like equal rights for blacks resulting in things like brown v board, the various civil rights acts etc. Nowadays I hope its clear that whats going on now is nothing like that and will result in nothing like that

Here's a recent example - the teacher in paris getting beheaded and the priests getting shot and stuff. does this mean all Muslims in France are bad and gonna freak out and behead someone? no it doesn't that's ridiculous.

but do you see why that murderer's actions have gotten the rest a bad rap and now non-muslim french people are becoming more prejudiced against Muslims? it's logically absurd that they would but in reality its completely understandable. this happened after 9/11, all of you were around for that and i was in school then and the few muslim/arabic looking people in my school got a bad rap, they got bullied with terrorist jokes and shit and it wasn't cool

the same applies to my viewpoint about the riots. yes i know biden does not condone the riots, but just as there are single issue voters on things like 2A or abortion or LGBTQ rights, the degradation of law and order as a result of the rioting, in it of itself, is my single issue that would compel me from abstaining because i dislike both candidates to voting red. however, because of identity politics manufactured by the powers that be, it is now, to me, trump = you can't throw a tantrum like a child and get your way, and biden = yeah you can.

And in a contested campaign like this, in a country where voter turnout is low, you need to be able to convince people like me to vote for you. The dems will vote for the dems no matter what and the pubs will vote for the pubs no matter what, you need to target the swing voters and actions that damage your image and PR, whether intended or endorsed or logical or not, are bad for your campaign

I hope that helped
 
I watched the full video earlier and to be fair here are my observations:

- The guys in the trucks with the trump flags shouldn't have been surrounding the bus like that to begin with cause its not funny or cool its just dangerous and ultimately a dick move, they shouldn't have done that
- The biden SUV was trying to run the black truck that was behind the biden bus off the road because it was in the black truck's lane the entire time, the biden SUV shouldn't have done that but I get why they did it
- The biden bus was crossing over into the occupied lane to the left of it because it was cornered, I get why they did it
- The biden vehicle actions were a result of them being surrounded by the trump vehicles, although in hindsight they could have called 911 and pulled over, its reasonable to say that a bunch of texan hillbillies that would do something like this might be violent if they got the bus to pull over

Note: I looked at the video on cnn as opposed to the full video just for a refresher while writing this and they edited out (I'm really not surprised) the part where the white biden SUV was in the black truck's lane for like at least 5-10 seconds and just kept the part where the black truck rammed the biden SUV FBI investigating alleged harassment of Biden campaign bus
If you go find the full video you can see what I'm talking about

All in all, I think the trump truckers are clearly in the wrong here and they have damaged their candidate's campaign - just like how I think the riots and violent protests have damaged biden's campaign
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Yeah I feel you man, the riots and protests were initially due to police brutality. But because things have become so polarized and since identity politics is now the status quo, saying something like "yeah sure increased training for police but not are cops are bad" might elicit a response like oh you must be a trumpet or a nazi or something like that. The culture of civil discourse in this country is at an all time low, and so when its the norm to oversimplify (whether maliciously or not, for example memes that condense a complex issue into a few words) everything, then its natural to see glaring logical inconsistencies become realities.

So me personally, and I say this with complete honesty, idgaf about whos in office or not, nothings really changed at all in my view since I was born in the 90s, and up until now there has been no single issue that would have compelled me to overcome my apathy and actually go vote. I have no strong personal feelings about guns or abortions or LGBTQ rights or religion or health care or welfare etc because it doesn't affect me personally - and I am very aware that's a selfish thing but tbh that's the truth, and I do not doubt that's the case for a lot of other people too.

- I'm pro 2A but sure extensive background checks
- Pro choice
- Gay marriage sure idc doesn't affect me
- Dont mind calling a he a she or vice versa if it makes em feel better
- Against illegal aliens
- drastically reduce military spending and use the funds for domestic things, though I get why they don't

etc, my viewpoints pretty much in this day and age have me hated by both sides. but since I don't actually care about the issues enough at the end of the day it doesn't matter whos on the throne. But the one thing I actually do care somewhat about is law and order, and I really actually do mean that, I don't mean like the George floyd cop getting off, I literally mean law and order.

In the absence of law and order, there is unnecessary suffering. Take a look at any social upheaval (whether a good or and outcome was effected doesn't matter) in history and you'll see that there was a LOT of collateral damage.

some examples off the top of my head: french revolution, cultural revolution, the khmer rouge

I'm not saying BLM is pol pot, but what I am saying is rather than looting and saying fuck the police, why not spend your political capital on effecting the passing of legislation and regulations that would benefit whatever it is that you're protesting for?

Whereas in the 1950s and 60s you had people marching peacefully for things like equal rights for blacks resulting in things like brown v board, the various civil rights acts etc. Nowadays I hope its clear that whats going on now is nothing like that and will result in nothing like that

Here's a recent example - the teacher in paris getting beheaded and the priests getting shot and stuff. does this mean all Muslims in France are bad and gonna freak out and behead someone? no it doesn't that's ridiculous.

but do you see why that murderer's actions have gotten the rest a bad rap and now non-muslim french people are becoming more prejudiced against Muslims? it's logically absurd that they would but in reality its completely understandable. this happened after 9/11, all of you were around for that and i was in school then and the few muslim/arabic looking people in my school got a bad rap, they got bullied with terrorist jokes and shit and it wasn't cool

the same applies to my viewpoint about the riots. yes i know biden does not condone the riots, but just as there are single issue voters on things like 2A or abortion or LGBTQ rights, the degradation of law and order as a result of the rioting, in it of itself, is my single issue that would compel me from abstaining because i dislike both candidates to voting red. however, because of identity politics manufactured by the powers that be, it is now, to me, trump = you can't throw a tantrum like a child and get your way, and biden = yeah you can.

And in a contested campaign like this, in a country where voter turnout is low, you need to be able to convince people like me to vote for you. The dems will vote for the dems no matter what and the pubs will vote for the pubs no matter what, you need to target the swing voters and actions that damage your image and PR, whether intended or endorsed or logical or not, are bad for your campaign

I hope that helped
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You are still acting like polls matter and this is a normal election with a normal candidate. I think due to the waters being muddied as it is, and all the extreme polarization the election offices are going to be super deliberate in reporting results and how the media "calls" it, more so than normal. It'll be days, if not weeks before they count all the mail in ballots, which you like to point out so much are coming in in record breaking numbers.

If there's a model I trust it's the one where Trump is winning on physical voters that can be readily counted, and thay momentum is going to count for something.

I'd bet money he doesn't concede by 2am. Not that his concession matters legally, but so long as he doesn't you know this shit ain't over.

I'd love to be wrong on all of that, but I don't think it'll be the case, and who knows what kind of cockamamey bullshit happens between now and then.


Source? I mean they cancelled the campaign event over security concerns due to it, unless that's fake news as well.
I don’t know why you think it’s like good to be down 11 in Wisconsin 2 days before the election that 60% have already voted in. Even if they were as wrong as 2016 then Biden wins. If they are accurate like they were in 2018. Biden wins wins. The fact is trump won on a very narrow amount of voters in the Midwest, he didn’t do any of the things he told them he would do. (Give them manufacturing jobs) and has promptly lost those voters.
 
Yeah I feel you man, the riots and protests were initially due to police brutality. But because things have become so polarized and since identity politics is now the status quo, saying something like "yeah sure increased training for police but not are cops are bad" might elicit a response like oh you must be a trumpet or a nazi or something like that. The culture of civil discourse in this country is at an all time low, and so when its the norm to oversimplify (whether maliciously or not, for example memes that condense a complex issue into a few words) everything, then its natural to see glaring logical inconsistencies become realities.

So me personally, and I say this with complete honesty, idgaf about whos in office or not, nothings really changed at all in my view since I was born in the 90s, and up until now there has been no single issue that would have compelled me to overcome my apathy and actually go vote. I have no strong personal feelings about guns or abortions or LGBTQ rights or religion or health care or welfare etc because it doesn't affect me personally - and I am very aware that's a selfish thing but tbh that's the truth, and I do not doubt that's the case for a lot of other people too.

- I'm pro 2A but sure extensive background checks
- Pro choice
- Gay marriage sure idc doesn't affect me
- Dont mind calling a he a she or vice versa if it makes em feel better
- Against illegal aliens
- drastically reduce military spending and use the funds for domestic things, though I get why they don't

etc, my viewpoints pretty much in this day and age have me hated by both sides. but since I don't actually care about the issues enough at the end of the day it doesn't matter whos on the throne. But the one thing I actually do care somewhat about is law and order, and I really actually do mean that, I don't mean like the George floyd cop getting off, I literally mean law and order.

In the absence of law and order, there is unnecessary suffering. Take a look at any social upheaval (whether a good or and outcome was effected doesn't matter) in history and you'll see that there was a LOT of collateral damage.

some examples off the top of my head: french revolution, cultural revolution, the khmer rouge

I'm not saying BLM is pol pot, but what I am saying is rather than looting and saying fuck the police, why not spend your political capital on effecting the passing of legislation and regulations that would benefit whatever it is that you're protesting for?

Whereas in the 1950s and 60s you had people marching peacefully for things like equal rights for blacks resulting in things like brown v board, the various civil rights acts etc. Nowadays I hope its clear that whats going on now is nothing like that and will result in nothing like that

Here's a recent example - the teacher in paris getting beheaded and the priests getting shot and stuff. does this mean all Muslims in France are bad and gonna freak out and behead someone? no it doesn't that's ridiculous.

but do you see why that murderer's actions have gotten the rest a bad rap and now non-muslim french people are becoming more prejudiced against Muslims? it's logically absurd that they would but in reality its completely understandable. this happened after 9/11, all of you were around for that and i was in school then and the few muslim/arabic looking people in my school got a bad rap, they got bullied with terrorist jokes and shit and it wasn't cool

the same applies to my viewpoint about the riots. yes i know biden does not condone the riots, but just as there are single issue voters on things like 2A or abortion or LGBTQ rights, the degradation of law and order as a result of the rioting, in it of itself, is my single issue that would compel me from abstaining because i dislike both candidates to voting red. however, because of identity politics manufactured by the powers that be, it is now, to me, trump = you can't throw a tantrum like a child and get your way, and biden = yeah you can.

And in a contested campaign like this, in a country where voter turnout is low, you need to be able to convince people like me to vote for you. The dems will vote for the dems no matter what and the pubs will vote for the pubs no matter what, you need to target the swing voters and actions that damage your image and PR, whether intended or endorsed or logical or not, are bad for your campaign

I hope that helped
It doesn’t help
No, both sides don’t hate you for your very unique views
If you really can’t bring yourself to care about things that don’t affect you, why would anyone care about your apathetic manifesto?
im not actually looking for a reply, that’s more a question for you to sit with
 
first of all, it doesn’t help.

Let’s unpack this: “I’m hated by both sides.”
Most people on both sides support the majority of things you wrote, so no.
Also the degradation of law and order begins with having a system of law and order that can be trusted by the people it serves.
People have been trying to protest racial injustice legally and through “correct” channels for decades. White people say “what about MLK, be more like MLK.” and ignore the fact that he got fucking shot for being peaceful. I don’t support violence, but these people have been told over and over again that there is no way for them to get justice.

The term racial injustice is idk a bit disingenuous nowadays. Let me explain why I think that. We've all heard the phrase that black males are disproportionately represented in the criminal justice system right? And that's because the justice system is racist right?

Males are disproportionately represented in the criminal justice system, does that mean the justice system is sexist? no that's ridiculous. this is the case because males commit more crimes than women do, and black males commit more crimes than other demographics do.

Some factors that are rarely discussed about why that is are: compared to other demographics, the dads are there less. less of a father figure and role model coupled with a single mom that's out of the house to work, coupled with being in a state of poverty = more crime, to keep it short.

When you say racial injustice, what do you specifically mean?

How do you think a black person feels and is affected when they are told from day 1 that the system is against them, that everything negative that happens to them is because of race, that they are powerless and need the white man to come in and save them?
 
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