Shutdown Watch - 2023

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AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise said:
Ah, the old my side is right and your side is wrong no matter what evidence proves otherwise. You guys are delusional lol
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We’d appreciate ANY evidence that the 2020 election was stolen from Orange Jesus. Nearly 3 years after the election, we’ve yet to see a shred of evidence showing it was. In fact, he and his lawyers (to include the ones recently indicted in GA) lost something on the order of 70 court cases for failure to produce evidence of fraud. But, I hear Mike Lindell (My Pillow Guy) will produce some evidence if you send him some money. 🤷‍♂️
 
32andBelow said:
Maga ppl aren’t right ever so yes you finally got one.
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List me some things Joe Biden has done well and not done well since taking office. I’m genuinely curious to hear what you believe.

DOD4Life said:
We’d appreciate ANY evidence that the 2020 election was stolen from Orange Jesus. Nearly 3 years after the election, we’ve yet to see a shred of evidence showing it was. In fact, he and his lawyers (to include the ones recently indicted in GA) lost something on the order of 70 court cases for failure to produce evidence of fraud. But, I hear Mike Lindell (My Pillow Guy) will produce some evidence if you send him some money. 🤷‍♂️
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I don’t believe the election was stolen. As a Matter of fact, I didn’t bring up Donald trump at all, you did. The guy lives in your head rent free apparently. I’ll ask you the same question as 32: what are some things you like/dislike that the Biden administration has done since taking office?
 
AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise said:
List me some things Joe Biden has done well and not done well since taking office. I’m genuinely curious to hear what you believe.t
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Made NATO as strong as it’s ever been

Kicked Russia fugging ass

Tough on China which was one thing trump might have actually done ok and Biden continued it.

Reopened America from the trump/fauci covid shutdown.

Infrastructure bill which is helping rebuild America. You even got republicans bragging about money coming to their district even when they didn’t even vote for it (fugging losers)

Student loan reform. The new SAVE program is really good for a lot of people.

Record Oil production

Going to finally negotiate drug prices like every other country on earth

What he hasn’t don’t well: nothing he is the best most productive president in decades and it’s not even close.
 
AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise said:
I don’t believe the election was stolen. As a Matter of fact, I didn’t bring up Donald trump at all, you did. The guy lives in your head rent free apparently. I’ll ask you the same question as 32: what are some things I’m you like/dislike that the Biden administration has done since taking office?
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I won’t go into long details, but a bit on each:

Like: COVID stimulus bill that led to economic recovery, competent management of COVID, Bipartisan Infrastructure bill, eliminating Trump’s Union-busting E.O.s, federal pay raises of 4.1% in 2023 & 5.2% in 2024 (although he should’ve agreed to higher), supporting NATO & Ukraine, ending Afghanistan forever war.

Dislike: Not agreeing to higher pay raises for feds that were proposed by Fed employee Unions & Dems in Congress, failure to get more legislation passed when his party had both the House & Senate, exit from Afghanistan was chaotic rather than well-organized.
 
DOD4Life said:
I won’t go into long details, but a bit on each:

Like: COVID stimulus bill that led to economic recovery, competent management of COVID, Bipartisan Infrastructure bill, eliminating Trump’s Union-busting E.O.s, federal pay raises of 4.1% in 2023 & 5.2% in 2024 (although he should’ve agreed to higher), supporting NATO & Ukraine, ending Afghanistan forever war.

Dislike: Not agreeing to higher pay raises for feds that were proposed by Fed employee Unions & Dems in Congress, failure to get more legislation passed when his party had both the House & Senate, exit from Afghanistan was chaotic rather than well-organized.
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But he did exit from Afghanistan. Something trump talked about could never accomplish. Same with infrastructure week
 
32andBelow said:
Made NATO as strong as it’s ever been

Kicked Russia fugging ass

Tough on China which was one thing trump might have actually done ok and Biden continued it.

Reopened America from the trump/fauci covid shutdown.

Infrastructure bill which is helping rebuild America. You even got republicans bragging about money coming to their district even when they didn’t even vote for it (fugging losers)

Student loan reform. The new SAVE program is really good for a lot of people.

Record Oil production

Going to finally negotiate drug prices like every other country on earth

What he hasn’t don’t well: nothing he is the best most productive president in decades and it’s not even close.
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The last sentence is why you can’t be taken seriously. I’m glad we’re no longer in Afghanistan, but the exit was nothing short of a disaster. I don’t understand why sending 100s of billions of dollars to the Ukraine-Russia war where hundreds of thousands of people are dying is to be celebrated. It’s horrific, and I never thought I would see the day when liberals and neocons like Lindsey Graham would support the same thing. Record oil production is great, but Americans sure as hell haven’t seen lower prices at the pump. Your claim that he reopened America from the trump/fauci lockdown is laughable. The Democratic Party, specifically, drug out covid policies for extended periods of time while Republican led states and localities ended those policies much sooner. This administration really had two years with control of both house/senate and failed to capitalize and his approval rating In a recent CNN (Obviously a left leaning media company) poll was 39%. Like it or not, his sons international business dealings are a problem too.
I can’t speak to everything you listed but I’ll look into them and maybe my mind will change some. But Joe Biden doesn’t inspire confidence for me or a majority of Americans given recent polling data.
 
AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise said:
The last sentence is why you can’t be taken seriously. I’m glad we’re no longer in Afghanistan, but the exit was nothing short of a disaster. I don’t understand why sending 100s of billions of dollars to the Ukraine-Russia war where hundreds of thousands of people are dying is to be celebrated. It’s horrific, and I never thought I would see the day when liberals and neocons like Lindsey Graham would support the same thing. Record oil production is great, but Americans sure as hell haven’t seen lower prices at the pump. Your claim that he reopened America from the trump/fauci lockdown is laughable. The Democratic Party, specifically, drug out covid policies for extended periods of time while Republican led states and localities ended those policies much sooner. This administration really had two years with control of both house/senate and failed to capitalize and his approval rating In a recent CNN (Obviously a left leaning media company) poll was 39%. Like it or not, his sons international business dealings are a problem too.
I can’t speak to everything you listed but I’ll look into them and maybe my mind will change some. But Joe Biden doesn’t inspire confidence for me or a majority of Americans given recent polling data.
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Because the things people say about Joe aren’t even true most of the time. Since when is anyone in America against helping an ally defeat a takeover of COMMUNISM. I’m not a military expert but having everyone withdraw from the center of a country seems hard. Someone has to leave last. Sucks it got messy at the end

Also I guess polls are good now?

CNN isn’t left leaning at all. But it’s hard when facts are considered left leaning.

Also we aren’t really sending Ukraine cash. I’m sure there’s some cash but it’s mostly stockpiled old weapons that we built to use against RUSSIANS
 
AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise said:
The last sentence is why you can’t be taken seriously. I’m glad we’re no longer in Afghanistan, but the exit was nothing short of a disaster. I don’t understand why sending 100s of billions of dollars to the Ukraine-Russia war where hundreds of thousands of people are dying is to be celebrated. It’s horrific, and I never thought I would see the day when liberals and neocons like Lindsey Graham would support the same thing. Record oil production is great, but Americans sure as hell haven’t seen lower prices at the pump. Your claim that he reopened America from the trump/fauci lockdown is laughable. The Democratic Party, specifically, drug out covid policies for extended periods of time while Republican led states and localities ended those policies much sooner. This administration really had two years with control of both house/senate and failed to capitalize and his approval rating In a recent CNN (Obviously a left leaning media company) poll was 39%. Like it or not, his sons international business dealings are a problem too.
I can’t speak to everything you listed but I’ll look into them and maybe my mind will change some. But Joe Biden doesn’t inspire confidence for me or a majority of Americans given recent polling data.
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You not realizing liberals support war says enough lmao

AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise said:
The last sentence is why you can’t be taken seriously. I’m glad we’re no longer in Afghanistan, but the exit was nothing short of a disaster. I don’t understand why sending 100s of billions of dollars to the Ukraine-Russia war where hundreds of thousands of people are dying is to be celebrated. It’s horrific, and I never thought I would see the day when liberals and neocons like Lindsey Graham would support the same thing. Record oil production is great, but Americans sure as hell haven’t seen lower prices at the pump. Your claim that he reopened America from the trump/fauci lockdown is laughable. The Democratic Party, specifically, drug out covid policies for extended periods of time while Republican led states and localities ended those policies much sooner. This administration really had two years with control of both house/senate and failed to capitalize and his approval rating In a recent CNN (Obviously a left leaning media company) poll was 39%. Like it or not, his sons international business dealings are a problem too.
I can’t speak to everything you listed but I’ll look into them and maybe my mind will change some. But Joe Biden doesn’t inspire confidence for me or a majority of Americans given recent polling data.
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CNN is owned by a right wing billionaire, not left leaning

32andBelow said:
Because the things people say about Joe aren’t even true most of the time. Since when is anyone in America against helping an ally defeat a takeover of COMMUNISM. I’m not a military expert but having everyone withdraw from the center of a country seems hard. Someone has to leave last. Sucks it got messy at the end

Also I guess polls are good now?

CNN isn’t left leaning at all. But it’s hard when facts are considered left leaning.

Also we aren’t really sending Ukraine cash. I’m sure there’s some cash but it’s mostly stockpiled old weapons that we built to use against RUSSIANS
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Russia is not a communist country please don't be this much of a lib
 
AB19 said:
CNN is owned by a right wing billionaire, not left leaning
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Who it’s owned by is irrelevant. They’re fully left slanted, don’t be obtuse.
AB19 said:
You not realizing liberals support war says enough lmao
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So did liberals not adamantly oppose the Iraq, Vietnam, and afghan wars? Am I mistaken? Prior to Ukraine, I was under the impression that progressives are generally opposed to war. If not, then I guess they share the same views as warmongers in the party you supposedly dislike. By the way, I don’t think Russia should have invaded Ukraine either. I think it’s wrong. But the US should be at the forefront of brokering a peace deal rather than stoking the war by providing Billions in weapons to Ukraine while (an estimated) 500,000 people have died in that war in 18 months. We’re using Ukrainian pawns to fight a proxy war against Russia and it’s fucked up.
 
AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise said:
The last sentence is why you can’t be taken seriously. I’m glad we’re no longer in Afghanistan, but the exit was nothing short of a disaster. I don’t understand why sending 100s of billions of dollars to the Ukraine-Russia war where hundreds of thousands of people are dying is to be celebrated. It’s horrific, and I never thought I would see the day when liberals and neocons like Lindsey Graham would support the same thing. Record oil production is great, but Americans sure as hell haven’t seen lower prices at the pump. Your claim that he reopened America from the trump/fauci lockdown is laughable. The Democratic Party, specifically, drug out covid policies for extended periods of time while Republican led states and localities ended those policies much sooner. This administration really had two years with control of both house/senate and failed to capitalize and his approval rating In a recent CNN (Obviously a left leaning media company) poll was 39%. Like it or not, his sons international business dealings are a problem too.
I can’t speak to everything you listed but I’ll look into them and maybe my mind will change some. But Joe Biden doesn’t inspire confidence for me or a majority of Americans given recent polling data.
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Neither of the 2 most-likely candidates for President in 2024 have the support of the majority of Americans.
 
AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise said:
So did liberals not adamantly oppose the Iraq, Vietnam, and afghan wars? Am I mistaken? Prior to Ukraine, I was under the impression that progressives are generally opposed to war. If not, then I guess they share the same views as warmongers in the party you supposedly dislike. By the way, I don’t think Russia should have invaded Ukraine either. I think it’s wrong. But the US should be at the forefront of brokering a peace deal rather than stoking the war by providing Billions in weapons to Ukraine while (an estimated) 500,000 people have died in that war in 18 months. We’re using Ukrainian pawns to fight a proxy war against Russia and it’s fucked up.
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Since when is helping a country NOT GET TAKEN OVER a left or a right issue? Half of the candidates on the Republican debate stage were in support of sending aid to Ukraine TO HELP THEM FIGHT BEING TAKEN OVER BY ANOTHER COUNTRY!! SMDH. The other half are pandering towards the isolationist side of the party.

What I've never gotten is how people can defend not giving aid to Ukraine but say we need to be tough on China. In case they've forgotten China wants to do the same damn thing to Taiwan. Wouldn't not helping Ukraine just give China the justification it needs to finally invade Taiwan? If there are no consequences then why not?
 
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