Slate Book extended until July 2026

[ATC123]

200k with a 5% raise is 10k 210k
1.6 percent of that 3360
-your proportional union dues (1.5%) 3150
Net raise of 110 dollars/26 paychecks
4.23 a paycheck

Huh? This is some of the worst math I've ever seen! With bad facts too.

First off, NATCA dues are 1.4%

$200k means you're paying $2800 per year in Union dues, or $107.69 per paycheck.

You get a 5% raise (your suggestion) now you make $210k. Now you're paying $2940 per year in Union dues ($140/yr increase) or $113.07 per paycheck ($5.50/paycheck increase).

You get $9860 of that $10k raise.

 

[boots]

Or you could just leave the union

 

[Phillytroll69]

Huh? This is some of the worst math I've ever seen! With bad facts too.

First off, NATCA dues are 1.4%

$200k means you're paying $2800 per year in Union dues, or $107.69 per paycheck.

You get a 5% raise (your suggestion) now you make $210k. Now you're paying $2940 per year in Union dues ($140/yr increase) or $113.07 per paycheck ($5.50/paycheck increase).

You get $9860 of that $10k raise.

I'm talking about the 1.6 raise not the jan

Can you do 200k
1.6 raise
203,200 New salary
New dues
2844 (1.4%) I think dues are 1.5 but I'll stay at 1.4
203,200-2844=200,356

 

[ATC123]

I'm talking about the 1.6 raise not the jan

Ok, so the numbers are even smaller.

You make $200k and get a $3200 raise (1.6%), NATCA only gets $44.80 of that $3200...you keep $3155.2 of it (98.6% of the raise).

 

[Phillytroll69]

Ok, so the numbers are even smaller.

You make $200k and get a $3200 raise (1.6%), NATCA only gets $44.80 of that $3200...you keep $3155.2 of it (98.6% of the raise).

You're doing dues ONLY on the raise, compare the whole end salaries for a Jun raise at 100 or 200k

 

[AB19]

Is everyone this confused and bad at math or what

 

[bomber996]

I'm talking about the 1.6 raise not the jan

Can you do 200k
1.6 raise
203,200 New salary
New dues
2844 (1.4%) I think dues are 1.5 but I'll stay at 1.4
203,200-2844=200,356

And when you were making $200k you actually saw $197,200 after dues. Still an effective raise of $3156, again, after dues.

I'm still confused on your original point.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

I was told there wouldn't be any math

 

[Phillytroll69]

And when you were making $200k you actually saw $197,200 after dues. Still an effective raise of $3156, again, after dues.

I'm still confused on your original point.

The point was that the Jun raise was negligible but we've shown its not and the union has yet again done a good job

 

[AB19]

The point was that the Jun raise was negligible but we've shown its not and the union has yet again done a good job

razemeow

 

[Termine]

I'm deeply confused as to what point Philly is making here.

When you pay 1.4% in yearly dues, and you get a 1.6% overall June raise, that doesn't mean your effective raise is only 0.2%. It means you see the 1.6%, minus 1.4% of that 1.6%. So your effective raise is 1.5776%.

You could go from being a Union member to not, or the other way around, but that's comparing apples to oranges.

 

[TimShady]

Yeah he’s acting like an additional 1.4% of your pay goes to the union every year or something. I mean I get 1.6% June raise is small potatoes but let’s not act like it’s $4 a check.

 

[Phillytroll69]

Yeah he’s acting like an additional 1.4% of your pay goes to the union every year or something. I mean I get 1.6% June raise is small potatoes but let’s not act like it’s $4 a check.

Exactly

 

[FightingIrish2012]

Remember that after 2025 the Trump Tax Cuts and Jobs Act tax cuts expire (don’t believe the media that only the ultra rich saw the cuts lol). For the average controller salary that will mean about 3-4% more taken out in federal taxes.

Take a minute to think about what that will be like combined with inflation and the shit slate book which will still be in effect lol.

Don’t worry, if you live in NY or CA though it will also sunset the STAR 10K state/local tax limit. So everyone paying 20K in annual taxes on their 1,500 sq ft ranch homes or townhomes on Long Island and So Cal will see a bit of a break there lol.

 

[Dontbotherme]

I was told there wouldn't be any math

…and we all wonder why that Austin controller tried to hit that gap…

 

[CaptainObvious]

…and we all wonder why that Austin controller tried to hit that gap…

What gap

 

[Sassyquatch]

I dont want to rain on anyones parade but the way Nick/Jamaal talked when I met them I highly doubt 30% is happening under them. I dont even know if 20% is possible. They're aiming for premiums/differentials though if the NEB is already working on that then theyre trying to take credit for something down the road that they had little to do with.

I've been told Nick & Jamaal think the slate book is the best we could ever do and that renegotiating the contract w pay raises would be a much higher chance with Santa. Obviously through the grapevine. Im not a Rich Santa simp, I'm actually pretty disgruntled with NATCA altogether, but I'd prefer a candidate who doesn't use NATCA as a way to party and as a 'get out of work for free' card

 

[Traffic8Out]

Prices can deflate and do often. With most industries going back to normal it's likely to happen. I proved you wrong already with yearly inflation vs our raises. I didn't cherry pick any dates, I used a normal January - December timeframe. We have a lot of year left. January pay raise is looking like a minimum of 2.7% currently which puts us at 4.3% for a year of raises though if you use your cherrypicked calendar of April to April I could say June to June we get 5.9% in raises. Once again well above any yearly inflation.

Lol.

 

[GroundClutter]

Aged like fine milk

 

[ATCNOMAD]

A supe at ZJX punched a controller at a school event and I'm pretty sure he's an OM now

That sup transfered to a level 12 TRACON got passed over for promotion to OM lost his medical and got a medical retirement. Wasn't eligible for another 9 years and now he's done. Not getting the OM job actually helped him out