All this is true, luckily shit hole facilities like that are being eradicated, either by the old dinosaur fucks there retiring and screwing the tax payers out of an inflated pension from their high three set up by the green book, or by the consolidation process.
The consolidation process might get the old dinosaur fucks out the door and off to the gaining radar facility but I don't think there's been a place yet that got 804'd and subsequently contracted out... or am I wrong about that? Places like COU, MSO, BZN, MFR, LYH and GJT used to have radar facilities and now are contract towers, but I think they got consolidated before the 804 process was the way they did it, am I right? Anyone know the stories there?
The consolidation process might get the old dinosaur fucks out the door and off to the gaining radar facility but I don't think there's been a place yet that got 804'd and subsequently contracted out... or am I wrong about that? Places like COU, MSO, BZN, MFR, LYH and GJT used to have radar facilities and now are contract towers, but I think they got consolidated before the 804 process was the way they did it, am I right? Anyone know the stories there?
No facility that was consolidated through 804 has been contracted. The 804 process usually don’t get the old dinosaur fucks out, they are usually so ingrained in the facility they stay. It helps get the young guns out who wanted to leave but were stuck in NCEPT jail.
Those make sense. I guess I had the opposite experience: Started at a level 6 up/down with a 55% checkout rate, was shocked at how toxic the culture was there and couldn’t believe the FAA was like this, went from the bottom to the second to bottom in seniority and back multiple times after watching people treated like unrecoverable failures for a single mistake at 50% of their hours in training get washed out. Thankfully I got through tower somehow, but decided at 75% of my radar hours that they wouldn’t certify me. I shotgunned ERRs under the old system to VFR towers and a level 6 one took me a few weeks later. Some/most controllers at my old facility treated me like I was the bad guy for leaving, and wished I shouldn’t be able to do that so they could have washed me out, and told that to my face. Trained for 2.5 years at that facility without certification, and got certified in 2 months at the new one. It was amazing to see the culture difference in the two facilities, and pulling the plug was the best move I made in my career. That first facility still has a ~60% checkout rate to this day, roughly 5 years later, and the other one has had ~95% consistently for years.
And that’s why I pay attention to certification rates. This has been my Ted talk.
Is there somewhere specific to check certification rates or is it just by word of mouth when you get to know some people that know those specific facilities?
Is there somewhere specific to check certification rates or is it just by word of mouth when you get to know some people that know those specific facilities?
If only there was a website where you could search FAA facilities and get tons of data on them like facility level, locality/ CIP, total CPC, total trainees, average training time, certification rates etc. I’d pay good money for a website like that.
If only there was a website where you could search FAA facilities and get tons of data on them like facility level, locality/ CIP, total CPC, total trainees, average training time, certification rates etc. I’d pay good money for a website like that.
There’s a donate feature on this website. You get a cool banner by your username as an added bonus!
No facility that was consolidated through 804 has been contracted. The 804 process usually don’t get the old dinosaur fucks out, they are usually so ingrained in the facility they stay. It helps get the young guns out who wanted to leave but were stuck in NCEPT jail.
Last I heard the rumor was that RDG will be the first.
Good for you, i remember many of your redundant questions. What facility did you pick?
I remember like it was just yesterday where Clearance Clarence was roasting me for being undecided between doing zoom basics or waiting for the academy to open back up ? good times! And I’ll PM you my facility
I remember like it was just yesterday where Clearance Clarence was roasting me for being undecided between doing zoom basics or waiting for the academy to open back up ? good times! And I’ll PM you my facility
GGG Longview, TX
BFL Bakersfield, CA
ILM Wilmington, NC
SPI Springfield, IL
HPN White Plains, NY
FNT Flint, MI
ARR Aurora, IL
FAI Fairbanks, AK
HPN would be a cool place to work. Very nice mix of carrier and ga traffic. Staffing numbers are not the best tho so if you’re planning on leaving it might not happen anytime soon
