Terminal Class pass rate

robertvmarshall said:

what is "monitor position" and "TSS"? for the ots idiots who don't know shit yet.

You'll see

robertvmarshall said:

what is "monitor position" and "TSS"? for the ots idiots who don't know shit yet.

As an ots who didn't know shit years ago, monitor positions are where you can listen to the person working and the traffic. Literally just monitor the position that is working. TSS are the simulators at the academy and facilities.

Shikaka said:

As an ots who didn't know shit years ago, monitor positions are where you can listen to the person working and the traffic. Literally just monitor the position that is working. TSS are the simulators at the academy and facilities.

Yeah, basically you get to watch and learn from the other people in your class work the same problems you’ll be working. As it stands now, you are sequestered in self-study rooms while you are on break.

redsphanatic said:

Yeah, basically you get to watch and learn from the other people in your class work the same problems you’ll be working. As it stands now, you are sequestered in self-study rooms while you are on break.

Gross. I'd much rather learn from others.

Is them dropping the monitor position a covid thing or just a result of having less people in the rotation?

I was also one of the OTS people who didn’t know shit. Watched 9 CTI grads in my class fail while the 3 OTS made it. Small sample size but just cuz you went to school for something, doesn’t mean you’re gonna be good at it.

BrocolliRob said:

I was also one of the OTS people who didn’t know shit. Watched 9 CTI grads in my class fail while the 3 OTS made it. Small sample size but just cuz you went to school for something, doesn’t mean you’re gonna be good at it.

Hot take: the bioQ was good

CF said:

Is them dropping the monitor position a covid thing or just a result of having less people in the rotation?

COVID. It would have been extremely helpful imo to see how my classmates were performing and offer what assistance to help them pass. Then again PA's are a crapshoot if nerves get to you and are unfortunate to get the hard problems.

CF said:

Hot take: the bioQ was good

Majority of CTI schools are crap. We had one that passed that came from Embry–Riddle Aeronautical University which I would consider the only good quality CTI university.

CF said:

Is them dropping the monitor position a covid thing or just a result of having less people in the rotation?

It was more of a covid thing but could've easily been done, those TSS rooms have more than enough room for an extra body to be 6 ft away from everyone. I contacted several people while I was there to try to bring it back and was basically told to "be thankful" that I'm even there and that I should snitch on my instructors if we aren't doing anything during "self study". There's nothing to really do during self study, and I don't see them bringing the monitor position back any time soon unless maybe classes start doing really poorly.

Foppery&Whim said:

COVID. It would have been extremely helpful imo to see how my classmates were performing and offer what assistance to help them pass. Then again PA's are a crapshoot if nerves get to you and are unfortunate to get the hard problems.

Majority of CTI schools are crap. We had one that passed that came from Embry–Riddle Aeronautical University which I would consider the only good quality CTI university.

Lol I’m a cti guy and my school was definitely garble.

rlanger0828 said:

It was more of a covid thing but could've easily been done, those TSS rooms have more than enough room for an extra body to be 6 ft away from everyone. I contacted several people while I was there to try to bring it back and was basically told to "be thankful" that I'm even there and that I should snitch on my instructors if we aren't doing anything during "self study". There's nothing to really do during self study, and I don't see them bringing the monitor position back any time soon unless maybe classes start doing really poorly.

I guess that makes sense but yeah that’s really helpful time to be able to see the problems from that perspective. Sucks it’s gone.

Sounds like my trainer at my first facility…. “We’re just gonna put this down as Monitor time..” ?
if you know. You know. Haha

RH316 said:

Sounds like my trainer at my first facility…. “We’re just gonna put this down as Monitor time..” ?
if you know. You know. Haha

No I don’t know. Could you please explain?

CF said:

No I don’t know. Could you please explain?

You never had a shit hour training and your trainer put it down as monitor time and not count it toward your hours?

Foppery&Whim said:

Majority of CTI schools are crap. We had one that passed that came from Embry–Riddle Aeronautical University which I would consider the only good quality CTI university.

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rlanger0828 said:

It was more of a covid thing but could've easily been done, those TSS rooms have more than enough room for an extra body to be 6 ft away from everyone. I contacted several people while I was there to try to bring it back and was basically told to "be thankful" that I'm even there and that I should snitch on my instructors if we aren't doing anything during "self study". There's nothing to really do during self study, and I don't see them bringing the monitor position back any time soon unless maybe classes start doing really poorly.

I was so confused why there were old board games and things like that in the self-study rooms until we started the TSS rotations... I get it now.

Foppery&Whim said:

COVID. It would have been extremely helpful imo to see how my classmates were performing and offer what assistance to help them pass. Then again PA's are a crapshoot if nerves get to you and are unfortunate to get the hard problems.

Majority of CTI schools are crap. We had one that passed that came from Embry–Riddle Aeronautical University which I would consider the only good quality CTI university.

I wouldn’t necessarily say the only one, Beaver has produced some good CPCs over the years.

caprisun said:

I wouldn’t necessarily say the only one, Beaver has produced some good CPCs over the yea

I’ve always heard UND (N Dakota) was a good CTI school, flying program as well.

Believe it or not but Arizona State University has a good CTI program. I only know of 6 of our grads who went but all 6 of the people I know passed, and most of them passed top half

Unless your CTI school actually use simulators to train on or actual live traffic then I don’t see how it matters between them. If it’s all bookwork it’s all shit you learn at academy. Probably drawn straight from basics material like the Vaughn CTI class.

ASU uses Phoenix Tower's previous TSS that they donated when they got a new one for the tower class and they have a watered down STARS/ ERAM sim that's fairly similar but visually accurate for the approach/ center class. They both have the same key commands as their real world counterpart they're just missing some of the more nuanced functions. Like their STARS sim has *T, *J, *P, etc but its missing the more nuanced things like *F, MOA highlights when they go hot etc