Time-Limited Recruitment Award/Retention Incentive Package

[ManBearPig]

You got proof for that claim that natca has asked Duffy for more money? Or is that another “just trust me bro”? Maybe it’s in the neb meeting minutes somewhere? Hard to say when they’re being so transparent with them

Yeah i like to randomly secretly record conversations with others. Its kinda hobby of mine.

If you aren't personally informed of every conversation between counterparts, it didn't happen, right?

The fact we are here talking about bonus' being paid means they are literally talking about pay. Jfc.

You can think that all you want, but I see this as them slamming the door on getting us raises not cracking it open. Did you both not watch the briefing and also not read what I said?...

No one got a raise before, now some people got a bonus. Door opened, not closed.

 

[Flashy Vectors]

At the presser when asked directly about current CPCs and if there will be any increased incentives for them regarding pay Duffy said “NATCA and the previous administration signed a new contract in December” clearly insinuating a fuck no. NATCA is only looking out for NATCA and cushy appointed positions on bullshit collaboration workgroups so they can dodge traffic and tell you that everything good is done in collaboration. The FAA does whatever the fuck they want and we’re all paying dues to make ourselves feel like we have a voice in this shit show.

 

[Shikaka]

My favorite thing about NATCA is how everyone has their own idea of what is going on, but then what's actually happening is usually worse, then some people are just done and others keep pretending like they're doing something.

This is literally the union leader that lied to get elected, was mute when tragedy occurred, has spent more public facing time talking about flight strips and academy wash outs than anything else, had a lawyer make a presentation about how we're paid enough etc etc etc, and people are still cucking over him.

Like...does this dude need to raw dog some of your spouses before there's a connection?

 

[Foppery&Whim]

My favorite thing about NATCA is how everyone has their own idea of what is going on, but then what's actually happening is usually worse, then some people are just done and others keep pretending like they're doing something.

This is literally the union leader that lied to get elected, was mute when tragedy occurred, has spent more public facing time talking about flight strips and academy wash outs than anything else, had a lawyer make a presentation about how we're paid enough etc etc etc, and people are still cucking over him.

Like...does this dude need to raw dog some of your spouses before there's a connection?

If the raw dog guarantees you an A114 job, then they are all for it.

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

Umm those aren’t AG’s genius

AG stands for ACADEMY GRAD

Sorry I misread your post, buddy.

 

[Expectvectors24]

I wonder where some of you are working that are defending this. Core 30 here and the entirety of the workforce was PISSED. Nick got slapped by Duffy with that contract comment and it’s very clear we will not be getting anything for CPCs that have been showing up for 6 day work weeks under Duffy. There’s no defense for Nick standing up there and holding a press conference touting benefits for those who don’t pay union dues yet. And for NATCA to have the balls to send us the link to watch it happen live like it’s some sort of win for us. It’s so much a slap in the face. What will it actually take for NATCA die hards to call a spade a spade?

Edit: I pay dues for the next 10 months for the record since we’re asking everyone who makes negative comments about the union and judging the comment based on that.

 

[GroundClutter]

I wonder where some of you are working that are defending this. Core 30 here and the entirety of the workforce was PISSED. Nick got slapped by Duffy with that contract comment and it’s very clear we will not be getting anything for CPCs that have been showing up for 6 day work weeks under Duffy. There’s no defense for Nick standing up there and holding a press conference touting benefits for those who don’t pay union dues yet. And for NATCA to have the balls to send us the link to watch it happen live like it’s some sort of win for us. It’s so much a slap in the face. What will it actually take for NATCA die hards to call a spade a spade?

Edit: I pay dues for the next 10 months for the record since we’re asking everyone who makes negative comments about the union and judging the comment based on that.

Not everyone

Just that one guy whose a piece of shit.

 

[LennyA21]

No one got a raise before, now some people got a bonus. Door opened, not closed.

A reporter specifically asked about the rest of us and Duffy said they just got a new contract in December looked at Nick and nodded and then said they are well compensated. That’s what an open door looks like to you?

 

[But_I_Had_Visual]

A reporter specifically asked about the rest of us and Duffy said they just got a new contract in December looked at Nick and nodded and then said they are well compensated. That’s what an open door looks like to you?

Just trust him bro, that’s his proof

 

[Jdmitchell92]

All great stuff... but my pay has been falling behind for years and I want NATCA to fight to get us ALL raises. The close to retirement people already pay much less for retirement than me, they have prime days off and generally have not been the ones as hurt by the pay problem.
Also it seems maybe that we could have negotiated with this administration... they are willing to actually try to make shit work. Not going to lie that's surprising as fuck.

What it looks like to me is this will be temporary (per duffy and the mou), so a few lucky people are getting hooked up with some big bonuses. But then the rest of us will not getting anything, and we will still be looking at being forced to 56 to retire. Anyone in the middle right now gets fucked all while NATCA touts a fucking win? NATCA has straight up let the FAA know they think we are paid perfectly fine and the "new" contract we got is great... thats what Duffy said and backed up by ND. The agency "fixed" ATC and gets to say they hooked us up but my paycheck goes up 0 and my benefits go backwards. That's what's wrong with this. The moment we got that fucking pay thing from NATCA trying to convince us we make enough I should have seen the writing on the wall... thats what main NATCA thinks. They think we are great and they did a great job. They are disconnected

I want whatever you're smoking if you think this agency would negotiate a contract in good faith with us. They hardly follow the law, they disobey court orders, they already terminated agreed upon contracts that were signed in the previous admin because Biden lives rent free in their head. I love when people blame unions for their problems exclusively, instead of the employer.

 

[ATOH]

I want whatever you're smoking if you think this agency would negotiate a contract in good faith with us. They hardly follow the law, they disobey court orders, they already terminated agreed upon contracts that were signed in the previous admin because Biden lives rent free in their head. I love when people blame unions for their problems exclusively, instead of the employer.

I must have forgot about all those massive bonuses and pay raises we got under the Biden administration.

 

[LennyA21]

I want whatever you're smoking if you think this agency would negotiate a contract in good faith with us. They hardly follow the law, they disobey court orders, they already terminated agreed upon contracts that were signed in the previous admin because Biden lives rent free in their head. I love when people blame unions for their problems exclusively, instead of the employer.

They’re carving out ATC and LEOs from their attacks on benefits they’re saying we need to hire the best and brightest they’re offering more and more money to controllers and academy students. Republicans hate federal
Workers and union, republicans seem to not hate air traffic controllers or their union. Nick made the mistake of extending and it turns out that was the wrong idea since Duffy said you just got a new contract in December.

The mistake was made now Nick has to own it.

 

[Spoony90]

My favorite thing about NATCA is how everyone has their own idea of what is going on, but then what's actually happening is usually worse, then some people are just done and others keep pretending like they're doing something.

This is literally the union leader that lied to get elected, was mute when tragedy occurred, has spent more public facing time talking about flight strips and academy wash outs than anything else, had a lawyer make a presentation about how we're paid enough etc etc etc, and people are still cucking over him.

Like...does this dude need to raw dog some of your spouses before there's a connection?

I mean… there’s married female controllers getting raw dogged by their co workers for a lot less 😂

 

[ATCJoe85]

They were about to strip us of early retirement

You're not the only one saying this, so I think clarification is necessary.

Has anyone seen a proposal to actually raise our minimum age?

I get that the three major proposals sucked ass (High 5, FERS increase, Supplement loss), but we're not counting that as completely stripping us of early retirement, are we?

I would imagine most of us could still retire at eligibility even with those changes.

What I fear most is they take away our ability to take pension at 20/50 or 25, along with no penalty for taking TSP early.

 

[BCHOOSIER]

Well, the MOU literally says its only for 3 years. But, fuck reading, am I right?!

You literally have no fucking idea what is said between NATCA, the Agency and Duffy behind closed doors. NATCA has straight up asked Duffy and the FAA for more money for everybody. But fuck facts and reality. Lets live in your mental delusions and your blind faith in a political news conference targeted at dipshits who watch 24/7 news networks.

The president of a public union was on stage with a Trump appointee. Not the FAA administrator. That shits fucking wild. The door to getting everyone more money was cracked open. We need to keep pushing together. Too many of you are crying like spoiled little bitches, and cant see the reality through your own tears.

I want more money, but I am also not stupid enough to shit on an agreement to get some people more money.

I get what you're saying and I'm glad some of us will get something. I think the issue I have is the overall messaging and contradiction in the narrative from NATCA. This is what NATCA has been telling us recently;

--NATCA doesn't want retirement eligible age to change and changing that is "non-negotiable".
--There is a small number of controllers over the age of 50 working and keeping them will not make a difference with the staffing problem.
--It's a possibility that changes in our retirement is coming and the supplemental maybe gone in the next few months, if not sooner.

With all that in mind, what I watched yesterday was NATCA on a stage standing up and cheering for a policy that goes against everything I mentioned above. At one point, Duffy turned to ND and said, Nick thinks this will get controllers to stay and help with OUR staffing problem. So standing with the administration and FAA leadership our Union leader SOLD an agreement to the American people that will make a difference with staffing and encourages us to work longer. As a labor union, if they truly cared about it's members they should be encouraging members that are eligible to retire immediately, not gamble with the possibility of losing benefits earned. Again, this argeement with NATCA's approval represents the exact opposite position. If any of us were advising a friend or someone we cared about, we all would encourage that person to get out to protect their retirement and financial future.
So the American people now think staffing will get better...it won't. Controllers are getting more money...few will. Controllers should work longer to solve our staffing problem...its not OUR problem and we shouldn't.

 

[DADDYSbabyBIRD]

I want whatever you're smoking if you think this agency would negotiate a contract in good faith with us. They hardly follow the law, they disobey court orders, they already terminated agreed upon contracts that were signed in the previous admin because Biden lives rent free in their head. I love when people blame unions for their problems exclusively, instead of the employer.

I would have agreed with you 5 months ago... but it seems there was actually some room to negotiate here. It's almost like we had leverage and cards to play, DCA gave us even more. Call me crazy but Duffy seems to actually want to do a good job, the dude literally responded to a reporter that we got a new contract with good pay in December and looked at Nick for agreement. It looks to me like ND and Duffy talked about this and ND signaled that with the extension of the contract we are all good, NATCA believes pay is good enough. Thats why they sent that pay email out months ago. Why fight for something you think is already good?

 

[GroundClutter]

I would have agreed with you 5 months ago... but it seems there was actually some room to negotiate here. It's almost like we had leverage and cards to play, DCA gave us even more. Call me crazy but Duffy seems to actually want to do a good job, the dude literally responded to a reporter that we got a new contract with good pay in December and looked at Nick for agreement. It looks to me like ND and Duffy talked about this and ND signaled that with the extension of the contract we are all good, NATCA believes pay is good enough. Thats why they sent that pay email out months ago. Why fight for something you think is already good?

Fuckin nailed it

 

[Raise when?]

They’re carving out ATC and LEOs from their attacks on benefits they’re saying we need to hire the best and brightest they’re offering more and more money to controllers and academy students. Republicans hate federal
Workers and union, republicans seem to not hate air traffic controllers or their union. Nick made the mistake of extending and it turns out that was the wrong idea since Duffy said you just got a new contract in December.

The mistake was made now Nick has to own it.

It was a horrible mistake extending. Back breaking. Not to mention, how do you come back from LYING to your membership?

 

[Phillytroll69]

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone

Union fighting for new hires (non members) and equipment (that doesn't pay dues)

The trump administration is actually doing something that makes sense (am i insane, is a broken clock right twice a day)

The union agreed their new contract was great on national tv....wasn't the survey like 76% of membership wanted to risk a negotiation?

 

[KiloZulu]

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone

Union fighting for new hires (non members) and equipment (that doesn't pay dues)

It's crazy that they'll pay AGs 10k to go to facilities that actually have ERRs in to them. So much for seniority