Training hold

[32andBelow]

(c) Heads of agencies shall promptly consult, as appropriate, with State, local, Tribal, and territorial government officials, Federal employees, Federal employee unions, Federal contractors, and any other interested parties concerning the implementation of this section.

(d) Heads of agencies may make categorical or case-by-case exceptions in implementing subsection (a) of this section to the extent that doing so is necessary or required by law, and consistent with applicable law. If heads of agencies make such exceptions, they shall require appropriate alternative safeguards, such as additional physical distancing measures, additional testing, or reconfiguration of workspace, consistent with applicable law. Heads of agencies shall document all exceptions in writing.

 

[MagioX1]

So does this mean anything for us who will be heading to the academy soon?

 

[Termine]

City, county, and state owned families are under their own jurisdiction. Not necessarily subject to federal enforcement.

Sec. 7. Scope. (a) For purposes of this order:
(i) “Federal employees” and “Federal contractors” mean employees (including members of the Armed Forces and members of the National Guard in Federal service) and contractors (including such contractors’ employees) working for the executive branch;
(ii) “Federal buildings” means buildings, or office space within buildings, owned, rented, or leased by the executive branch of which a substantial portion of occupants are Federal employees or Federal contractors;

Emphasis mine.

 

[32andBelow]

Sec. 7. Scope. (a) For purposes of this order:
(i) “Federal employees” and “Federal contractors” mean employees (including members of the Armed Forces and members of the National Guard in Federal service) and contractors (including such contractors’ employees) working for the executive branch;
(ii) “Federal buildings” means buildings, or office space within buildings, owned, rented, or leased by the executive branch of which a substantial portion of occupants are Federal employees or Federal contractors;

Emphasis mine.

What a take that an faa employee was subject to federal regulation cus of the lease.

 

[--]

So with bidens EO regarding masks, why wouldn't AGs be able to start during the 100 day period again? Im not following...

today in the facility the trainees were all chanting "no Mask-ation without representation" . a movement is springing up

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[November Golf]

ok so make mask mandatory, i still dont see how this stops training in the 100 day span since masks apparently work

 

[Stinger]

Not to mention, anyone who’s “high risk” is already at home, totally safe out of harms way.

Except for the high-risk people that were called back and are in the buildings working.

 

[32andBelow]

Except for the high-risk people that were called back and are in the buildings working.

Ok compromise. High risk ppl don’t have to train 🙂

 

[Shikaka]

Sec. 7. Scope. (a) For purposes of this order:
(i) “Federal employees” and “Federal contractors” mean employees (including members of the Armed Forces and members of the National Guard in Federal service) and contractors (including such contractors’ employees) working for the executive branch;
(ii) “Federal buildings” means buildings, or office space within buildings, owned, rented, or leased by the executive branch of which a substantial portion of occupants are Federal employees or Federal contractors;

Emphasis mine.

I'm confused as to what type of retardation you're struggling with today?

Are you suggesting the majority of employees at an airport are Federal? If so buddy I've got a doozy to fill you in on.

 

[32andBelow]

I'm confused as to what type of retardation you're struggling with today?

Are you suggesting the majority of employees at an airport are Federal? If so buddy I've got a doozy to fill you in on.

No. Someone here said that their faa facility isn’t owned by the feds so they can’t enforce the mask mandate

 

[steakvendor]

That's a weird way of saying that COVID has a 99.998% survival rate. What's my survival rate for the heart attack I'm going to have at 52 because the facility is so chronically short-staffed due to training backlog that I have to work mandatory 6-day weeks?

OP is actually saying 1 out of 820 people in the country have died, not that 1 out of 820 infected people have died. There’s a difference.

 

[ATCJoe85]

The virus has a 99.35% survival rate, which decreases/increases substantially depending on age. Left unchecked, that's around 2.25 million deaths.

Now if you want to argue that the guy sitting next to you has parents that are about dead anyway, have at it. Your opinion may suck donkey balls, but at least it is honest.

However, if you want to argue that the numbers aren't real, then you can kindly go f*&# yourself.

 

[Phanatical]

Your numbers aren't real though. The survival rate is 97.86% (fatality rate 2.14%)

 

[32andBelow]

Your numbers aren't real though. The survival rate is 97.86% (fatality rate 2.14%)

Is that fatalities against confirmed cases?

 

[Phanatical]

Is that fatalities against confirmed cases?

Yeah. 97,353,873 cases. 2,084,498 deaths.

 

[Phillytroll69]

If the a sides and other trainees really wanted to save the faa they would just hold a rally and storm their facilities, seems to be a trend lately.

But seriously, good luck to all y'all I had to work two jobs while doing oklahoma (no per diem a long time ago) and know everything has gone up, except wages. The good news is that the who (and cdc to follow) are starting to change their testing guidelines, which will result in a lower net positive of NEW cases. Combined with the vaccine, it means that the threshold will be met in another couple of months-probably two or three?

Unfortunately we may not see this exactly because trump had the cdc fudging numbers and was preventing transmission directly to a white house group instead of cdc.

Nobody will know anything about your training until we can see a trend indicator in the new ways they are counting cases, they won't know how to count cases for a week or two as all the teams are transitioning to new leadership.

If you have any questions you'd like make sure to add the please don't troll me or else I will

 

[Robert_Boucher]

No. Someone here said that their faa facility isn’t owned by the feds so they can’t enforce the mask mandate

Again A104 makes the EO a moot point regardless of it being a city owned or federal facility. And as a response to you post saying that they'd have to change the MOU to reflect what the EO says, that's not how things work. They could do that but they aren't required to simply because a new EO was put out. There is a hierarchy of how things rank (US Codes, MOUs, CBA, EO, Memo's etc...) And an EO does not overide a current MOU which is an extension of the CBA.

 

[Ad1234]

I wish people put this much effort into reading the LOAs and the SOP. Just put on a mask and get on with your pathetic life.

 

[Termine]

No. Someone here said that their faa facility isn’t owned by the feds so they can’t enforce the mask mandate

In fact it was Shikaka themselves who said (as I quoted in my post) that facilities not directly owned by the gov't are "Not necessarily subject to federal enforcement." I was pointing out that the EO is enforceable on federal employees regardless of duty station, and enforceable in federal buildings, the definition of which includes buildings the gov't leases as wells as owns.

Again A104 makes the EO a moot point regardless of it being a city owned or federal facility.

This is a more interesting discussion—having a CBA protected us from Trump's anti-union EOs, so I could believe it would also protect us from Biden's EOs, which you could say amount to a dress code or similar change of working conditions. My suspicion would be that a new MOU is coming in the next week or so. We'll see what happens.

 

[Dousand24]

Hazard Pay??