Training hold

[Dousand24]

Hazard Pay

 

[FL747]

Lord knows what has been talked about since, but... a couple days ago they told my girl (CPC-IT in R school when the plague hit, lapsed before ots/recalls were figured out, hit a year off position recently) that she'd be back as soon as the county hits the gating metrics for yellow, but that they were pushing for her to come back straight into R school. Right, sure... if it was acceptable to just ignore the currency lapse, wouldn't they have called her in and sent her to class when they sent the recalled D sides to R school last fall? She did not get off that phone call feeling like they had anything that resembled a plan for her.

 

[rhombus]

I’m still not buying it for sure, we will see but lots of places are scheduled past then already, plus I talked to high end people this week as well and they were saying May or later for the final hammer to drop.

Any 5/5 or 5/10 facility who is still on their normal operating hours won’t be affected by this new guidance. I’d be shocked if they mandated a National return to BWS any time soon especially since a lot of facilities are running a fraction of their pre-covid traffic

 

[Spaceforce]

Any 5/5 or 5/10 facility who is still on their normal operating hours won’t be affected by this new guidance. I’d be shocked if they mandated a National return to BWS any time soon especially since a lot of facilities are running a fraction of their pre-covid traffic

How sure are you on this?

 

[32andBelow]

Any 5/5 or 5/10 facility who is still on their normal operating hours won’t be affected by this new guidance. I’d be shocked if they mandated a National return to BWS any time soon especially since a lot of facilities are running a fraction of their pre-covid traffic

Everything’s a fraction. But air travel is certainly trending up and will Increase more and make from spring break one. Southwest is planning 80% of 2019 levels for this spring/summer. And 2019 was the most passengers ever.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

Any 5/5 or 5/10 facility who is still on their normal operating hours won’t be affected by this new guidance. I’d be shocked if they mandated a National return to BWS any time soon especially since a lot of facilities are running a fraction of their pre-covid traffic

OK, thanks for clarifying, I wish the other guy would have specified this or mentioned that the real edict is to return facilities who had hours cut to regular operating hours. Which is a good move NATCA should support, that will help protect jobs just as much as a blanket return to BWS mandate.

 

[BigEggplant]

OK, thanks for clarifying, I wish the other guy would have specified this or mentioned that the real edict is to return facilities who had hours cut to regular operating hours. Which is a good move NATCA should support, that will help protect jobs just as much as a blanket return to BWS

re: staffing levels, my tower is running about 950 ops a day from last year 1850 a day for this time.

once we crack 1500 the management is gonna want assists open, once we crack 1800 during summer they will want a third ground and local split off.

my point it we are gonna be back on 6/1 as soon as BWS resumes in PP8. We have been training and have certified three people since November, another three in the next month or so.

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

re: staffing levels, my tower is running about 950 ops a day from last year 1850 a day for this time.

once we crack 1500 the management is gonna want assists open, once we crack 1800 during summer they will want a third ground and local split off.

my point it we are gonna be back on 6/1 as soon as BWS resumes in PP8. We have been training and have certified three people since November, another three in the next month or so.

Towers have assists?

 

[Zippy66]

Is that allowed

i dont think so...

 

[rhombus]

How sure are you on this?

I’m just going on logic here. Any facility who never cut their hours to begin with won’t be affected by a mandate to return to normal hours. i.e. any 24/7 facility on 5/5 can still expect to stay 5/5 until some other guidance comes out

 

[Spaceforce]

I’m just going on logic here. Any facility who never cut their hours to begin with won’t be affected by a mandate to return to normal hours. i.e. any 24/7 facility on 5/5 can still expect to stay 5/5 until some other guidance comes out

I guess I should have just said “sauce”. I understand what you said.

 

[rhombus]

Everything’s a fraction. But air travel is certainly trending up and will Increase more and make from spring break one. Southwest is planning 80% of 2019 levels for this spring/summer. And 2019 was the most passengers ever.

Completely agree. At least at my tower the general consensus is that 5/5 won’t last through the spring for the same reasons. The demand for travel is going to be there

 

[Traffic8Out]

We have been training and have certified three people since November, another three in the next month or so.

That's good to hear, they must all be in natca.

 

[--]

Anyone who isnt maxing out their PAC has no grounds to an opinion on anything, including training. They are less than pond scum to us true fraternal Union men and women.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

Anyone who isnt maxing out their PAC has no grounds to an opinion on anything, including training. They are less than pond scum to us true fraternal Union men and women.

I mostly agree with you brother, but it is hard for someone to max it out as a AG or even a CPC at a Level 5. But every controller in the Agency should be contributing at least $10 while being a new trainee, and $20 as CPC as a low level $40 at a 10 or higher. Also drives me nuts when a level 11 or 12 picks up or gets stuck with a low level controller who comes in thought NCEPT, then does not up their PAC to go with the 30K 50% on the go raise they just got. The union helped get you there, you should increase it generously in that situation.

 

[--]

Also drives me nuts when a level 11 or 12 picks up or gets stuck with a low level controller who comes in thought NCEPT, then does not up their PAC to go with the 30K 50% on the go raise they just got. The union helped get you there, you should increase it generously in that situation.

Agree. Very ungrateful. In this day and age cant expect much more from these Millenial kids sadly.

A trainee at my facility literally went home crying the other day because he was given a separation error. Lol said that since training order hasnt been followed during the plague that he was gonna get all his hours back.

 

[Phillytroll69]

Agree. Very ungrateful. In this day and age cant expect much more from these Millenial kids sadly.

A trainee at my facility literally went home crying the other day because he was given a separation error. Lol said that since training order hasnt been followed during the plague that he was gonna get all his hours back.

He should get all of it back, we have a rep in there fighting for him right. Sounds like he's even earned a promotion

 

[32andBelow]

I mostly agree with you brother, but it is hard for someone to max it out as a AG or even a CPC at a Level 5. But every controller in the Agency should be contributing at least $10 while being a new trainee, and $20 as CPC as a low level $40 at a 10 or higher. Also drives me nuts when a level 11 or 12 picks up or gets stuck with a low level controller who comes in thought NCEPT, then does not up their PAC to go with the 30K 50% on the go raise they just got. The union helped get you there, you should increase it generously in that situation.

Is this satire or IRL

 

[FightingIrish2012]

Is this satire or IRL

This is for real, I think everyone should be in the PAC it does amazing things. Not max it out, especially not at first, but if you do get a promotion to higher facilities you should adjust it proportional.

 

[32andBelow]

This is for real, I think everyone should be in the PAC it does amazing things. Not max it out, especially not at first, but if you do get a promotion to higher facilities you should adjust it proportional.

After totally showing they have zero pull on covid vaccines. No thanks.