Training hold

[Shikaka]

Sounds like a lot of "pre 9/11" coots in here.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

Sounds like a lot of "pre 9/11" coots in here.

This is gonna be the thing for the next 5 or 10 years until we have some new event in the boom/bust flight cycle people use to prove thier amazing, all knowing atc God abilities to trainees, I guarantee it.

"you think this is busy? You should have seen it before covid! the sky was black with airplanes, we had no shitter paper, it was nuts, no way you'll be able to handle that if we get back to that level"

 

[Mike Kilo]

This is gonna be the thing for the next 5 or 10 years until we have some new event in the boom/bust flight cycle people use to prove thier amazing, all knowing atc God abilities to trainees, I guarantee it.

"you think this is busy? You should have seen it before covid! the sky was black with airplanes, we had no shitter paper, it was nuts, no way you'll be able to handle that if we get back to that level"

So true. My first facility I heard this crap non stop. And then we were audited for traffic count and a downgrade and their tune changed quick. “I guarantee traffic hasn’t dropped, I woulda noticed!” Can’t have it both ways folks!

 

[FightingIrish2012]

So true. My first facility I heard this crap non stop. And then we were audited for traffic count and a downgrade and their tune changed quick. “I guarantee traffic hasn’t dropped, I woulda noticed!” Can’t have it both ways folks!

To be fair maybe the traffic haven’t changed, it was just a lot easier to fake traffic counts high back in the day (although centers are exempt).

This is gonna be the thing for the next 5 or 10 years until we have some new event in the boom/bust flight cycle people use to prove thier amazing, all knowing atc God abilities to trainees, I guarantee it.

"you think this is busy? You should have seen it before covid! the sky was black with airplanes, we had no shitter paper, it was nuts, no way you'll be able to handle that if we get back to that level"

I agree with you man, I’m practicing my lines just like drill instructors do in the military. Do you think we should work toward a “B” pay scale? I think it’s justified as new hires will never again have to work the traffic in the NAS that existed in 2019.

 

[Mike Kilo]

To be fair maybe the traffic haven’t changed, it was just a lot easier to fake traffic counts high back in the day (although centers are exempt).

They did get scolded for padding the count by an extra 80% ?

 

[CaptainObvious]

Per the telecon today: still no timetable for when developmentals will be returning. When we do return, basically the lab will be utilized for all training. The hope is to get people who were close to certifying to do so via simulated traffic. It sounds like training on the floor might not be a thing until social distancing is no longer a thing, and until traffic begins to increase. Pretty much sounds like everyone is going to be in lab purgatory for months, if not years, whenever we do actually go back.

How are they going to certify on simulated traffic? Lab scenarios are all written with stupid unrealistic gotcha moments in mind more than managing a real world traffic flow

 

[Roger_Roger]

So are non essentials going back next week or what?

 

[32andBelow]

Sounds like they still have a lot to work out.
Literally nobody knows anything apparently. Not the agency, not NATCA.

They’re all just waiting to get forced

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

So are non essentials going back next week or what?

I'm gonna guess no.

 

[Komp]

Per the telecon today: still no timetable for when developmentals will be returning. When we do return, basically the lab will be utilized for all training. The hope is to get people who were close to certifying to do so via simulated traffic. It sounds like training on the floor might not be a thing until social distancing is no longer a thing, and until traffic begins to increase. Pretty much sounds like everyone is going to be in lab purgatory for months, if not years, whenever we do actually go back.

Is this your facility only? If so, are you En Route, TRACON, or tower?

 

[jakemorrill]

En route. The call was only for my facility.

Which facility, if you don't mind?

 

[ClearanceClarence]

Anyone hear anything more on the hold for May 15? It’d be nice to know if we’re going to work on Friday, although it seems unlikely. It’s frustrating that NATCA and the Agency are obviously having these discussions behind closed doors somewhere, but the only answer they’ll give any of us is “we know nothing.”

 

[32andBelow]

Anyone hear anything more on the hold for May 15? It’d be nice to know if we’re going to work on Friday, although it seems unlikely. It’s frustrating that NATCA and the Agency are obviously having these discussions behind closed doors somewhere, but the only answer they’ll give any of us is “we know nothing.”

They’ll prolly decide on the 14th. Through the 15th could be interpreted as the 15th is on hold.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

They’ll prolly decide on the 14th. Through the 15th could be interpreted as the 15th is on hold.

That’s true. You wouldn’t think something like this would be a day-to-day decision, but I guess it is.

 

[32andBelow]

That’s true. You wouldn’t think something like this would be a day-to-day decision, but I guess it is.

I have a feeling they are going to start letting different regions decide.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

I have a feeling they are going to start letting different regions decide.

That makes sense to me. It definitely seems like everybody is sitting around waiting for some decision from National right now that they don’t seem to want to make.

 

[32andBelow]

That makes sense to me. It definitely seems like everybody is sitting around waiting for some decision from National right now that they don’t seem to want to make.

It seems like a lot of facilities are starting to change their schedules tho.

 

[ClearanceClarence]

Per a NATCA rep I talked to today: “we anticipate the training hold will be extended.” He said this committee they formed on the national level is in charge of figuring out everything with training. No details beyond that.

 

[32andBelow]

Per a NATCA rep I talked to today: “we anticipate the training hold will be extended.” He said this committee they formed on the national level is in charge of figuring out everything with training. No details beyond that.

I PMd you

 

[CaptainObvious]

I PMd you

Oooo I want to know too