Training hold

[milayo1384]

It’s been FOUR months! WOW!!!

I'm one of the trainees who's generally enjoying this break, but I take issue with your proclamation of FOUR months. This will end up adding much more time than that to our training. We've already been told that the labs will be running at 1/2 capacity to create social distancing (plus many instructors aren't ever coming back). There's also going to be extra demand in the labs from all the people who need to retrain because they were considered vulnerable and the backlog of CPC transfers that were still happening all this time.

I'm at a center known for fairly speedy checkouts, but before any of this, there was already a 6 month wait for an R-side class. The "four months" so far plus all of the extra waiting will very easily add over a year to our training time. That's if everything goes according to plan from here out and there aren't any unforeseen delays, which is highly unlikely.

 

[PushingTin]

(plus many instructors aren't ever coming back).

Addition by subtraction!

I'm at a center known for fairly speedy checkouts

 

[GulfBravoPapa]

Bet you wouldn’t if you were 5 on and they made you work on your EA days.

If you think about trainees are doing 3 days more “work” per pay period.

They also just sat around for three months getting paid to do nothing... I'd say they've got a little catching up to do if that's how you want to play.

 

[mnsalty]

This will end up adding much more time than that to our training.

The "four months" so far plus all of the extra waiting will very easily add over a year to our training time.

Yup. pretty much all this. But "traffic has to come back first" - well, once traffic comes back, THEN it'll be okay to have classroom and sim training which in no way has anything physically to do with the ops floor? Makes total sense. Let's just quit the BS and realize that one group is just stubborn to give up their 5/10 or 5/5 and not having to train.

 

[32andBelow]

Let's just quit the BS and realize that one group is just stubborn to give up their 5/10 or 5/5 and not having to train.

I’m actually fine with them just saying that. I’d want it if I was done too. And as I’ve said before I’d have no problem with training on 5 and 5 to keep the crews separate still.

 

[CaptainObvious]

They also just sat around for three months getting paid to do nothing... I'd say they've got a little catching up to do if that's how you want to play.

Because going in to “work” was so strenuous. I did the 5-10 and now the 5-5. Not exactly slammed most the time.

 

[Gusher]

Still useless.

Maybe til you need something.

 

[Dontbotherme]

I'm one of the trainees who's generally enjoying this break, but I take issue with your proclamation of FOUR months. This will end up adding much more time than that to our training. We've already been told that the labs will be running at 1/2 capacity to create social distancing (plus many instructors aren't ever coming back). There's also going to be extra demand in the labs from all the people who need to retrain because they were considered vulnerable and the backlog of CPC transfers that were still happening all this time.

I'm at a center known for fairly speedy checkouts, but before any of this, there was already a 6 month wait for an R-side class. The "four months" so far plus all of the extra waiting will very easily add over a year to our training time. That's if everything goes according to plan from here out and there aren't any unforeseen delays, which is highly unlikely.

From being on the receiving end of center feeds for years and years, some of you guys need as much training time as the agency will provide... Again, BUE’s health is significantly more important than your training experience.

 

[32andBelow]

From being on the receiving end of center feeds for years and years, some of you guys need as much training time as the agency will provide... Again, BUE’s health is significantly more important than your training experience.

So do you just lock yourself into your house for your whole 5 days off?

 

[Dontbotherme]

So do you just lock yourself into your house for your whole 5 days off?

Yes, while spend time gardening and doing yard work.

Yup. pretty much all this. But "traffic has to come back first" - well, once traffic comes back, THEN it'll be okay to have classroom and sim training which in no way has anything physically to do with the ops floor? Makes total sense. Let's just quit the BS and realize that one group is just stubborn to give up their 5/10 or 5/5 and not having to train.

No one cares about training or not training. It is part of our job description and most would rather you be certified to get more leave opportunities. People care about not dying though! Your training is not more important than the safety of all workers. Hell, my wife’s side of the family has 19 confirmed cases of COVID with four now in the ICU. That’s due to ONE of those people going to church where 80+ have gotten COVID now. This is a serious situation and a hell of a lot more important than you spending potentially another year in training.

 

[CaptainObvious]

From being on the receiving end of center feeds for years and years, some of you guys need as much training time as the agency will provide... Again, BUE’s health is significantly more important than your training experience.

Works both ways. The level 12 tracon can’t figure out how to separate departures or provide even LOA spacing, much less anything beyond that. And the arrival sector can’t make do without 10-20 miles in trail or a staggered feed

 

[Dontbotherme]

Works both ways. The level 12 tracon can’t figure out how to separate departures or provide even LOA spacing, much less anything beyond that. And the arrival sector can’t make do without 10-20 miles in trail or a staggered feed

How do they not separate departures? Most center pukes don’t even understand transitional separation and we get them two by two with no in Trail here. Also, we don’t see nor care about your time on the glass. That’s a ZTMU function.

 

[spider]

From being on the receiving end of center feeds for years and years, some of you guys need as much training time as the agency will provide... Again, BUE’s health is significantly more important than your training experience.

From being on the center side, some you need as much training as possible. You guys would flip your shit if we ever told you to hold your departure 5 miles from the boundary.

oh and don’t even get me started about guys on an approved T route being turned down.

 

[CaptainObvious]

How do they not separate departures? Most center pukes don’t even understand transitional separation and we get them two by two with no in Trail here. Also, we don’t see nor care about your time on the glass. That’s a ZTMU function.

4 way stack all climbing to the same altitude, pushing it off on center to keep the climb going. What happens if I’m busy or have traffic and need to leave one at their cleared altitude? It’s on me to fix their fuckup? We’re all supposed to collaborate, so I don’t mind helping, but don’t have me fix a situation for you and then call the OM desk if someone clips your airspace by a quarter mile.

 

[Dontbotherme]

From being on the center side, some you need as much training as possible. You guys would flip your shit if we ever told you to hold your departure 5 miles from the boundary.

oh and don’t even get me started about guys on an approved T route being turned down.

There’s a big difference from having LOA turn around, sterile arrival airspace where everyone goes to a common fix vs not having any room with rapidly accelerating departures all going to different fixes, five miles apart. There is little option to turn and maintain altitude due to other aircraft at or climbing to those altitudes and you can’t descend them due to satellite traffic.

 

[CaptainObvious]

There’s a big difference from having LOA turn around, sterile arrival airspace where everyone goes to a common fix vs not having any room with rapidly accelerating departures all going to different fixes, five miles apart. There is little option to turn and maintain altitude due to other aircraft at or climbing to those altitudes and you can’t descend them due to satellite traffic.

But telling center that they’re shut off 5 miles from the gate during an arrival push with 12 more in trail of the first one is all good

 

[spider]

There’s a big difference from having LOA turn around, sterile arrival airspace where everyone goes to a common fix vs not having any room with rapidly accelerating departures all going to different fixes, five miles apart. There is little option to turn and maintain altitude due to other aircraft at or climbing to those altitudes and you can’t descend them due to satellite traffic.

When you have two streams that are route separated and then you call at the last minute to say spin everyone, it isn’t as easy as just telling them to spin. Look, I get it - you’re busy but so are we and we don’t refuse an overflight just because he’s going to be a pain in the ass. Every overflight is a pain in the ass so stop acting like you’re the only ones who are busy.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Oh I forgot to mention the time the departure controller gave the front regional 250 or less and the United 6 in trail 280 or greater over the same fix

 

[32andBelow]

When you have two streams that are route separated and then you call at the last minute to say spin everyone, it isn’t as easy as just telling them to spin. Look, I get it - you’re busy but so are we and we don’t refuse an overflight just because he’s going to be a pain in the ass. Every overflight is a pain in the ass so stop acting like you’re the only ones who are busy.

Or refuse VFRs in LAS when there’s no traffic then deviate them.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Or refuse VFRs in LAS when there’s no traffic then deviate them.

In her defense, he was an asshole and it was his fuckup