Will NATCA and the FAA extend the contract?

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I understand why they do it but it still costs a lot more than letting us work understaffed. If you’re “saving money” you’ll say make it work with what you have. They will probably bring it back when they realize how understaffed we are but still a possibility.

There’s no fiscal argument for having us work understaffed when they just agreed to negotiations of higher facility staffing numbers for almost every facility in the nation.

 

[Raise when?]

What are ya, chicken??

For real though... Agreed.

Nobody cares more about safety than the controller in front of the scope.

The FAA only cares when it is convenient for them

 

[ATCJoe85]

I understand why they do it but it still costs a lot more than letting us work understaffed. If you’re “saving money” you’ll say make it work with what you have. They will probably bring it back when they realize how understaffed we are but still a possibility.

FYI, this is actually the one area where both Democrat and Republican and Trumplican leaders all agree... if they can kill workers faster by destroying their health, it's better for the owning class.

They aren't going to let us have an extra 34 days off... that would go against their ambitions.

A lot of comments act like we can't up and leave when/if shit hits the fan. I can't imagine less than half of us have any investment in staying if they strip FERS and give us nothing. I probably can't leave with just a 20% paycut, but I can with 35-40%.

We have a tendency to tell each other this is the best we could do... you know, keeping people from dying and all in a high stakes environment... but there are other jobs out there.

If Co-Presidents Trump and Musk squeeze in the right way, a lot of us will depart, and be freed from the "I'm not good enough for anything comparable" mindset, and who knows what we'll accomplish away from here.

It just won't be as safe to fly anymore.

 

[GulfCharlie]

 

[Raise when?]

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This seems not good for us huh

 

[GulfCharlie]

This seems not good for us huh

Nope

 

[GroundClutter]

We're cooked

 

[32andBelow]

What’s PASS got to do with it

 

[blarg]

Doesn't necessarily mean they won't get a decent result at arbitration, and the fact that they're going to arbitration isn't inherently bad. They could be asking for a lot and not budging on any of it. IF they're going to have to go to arbitration, it's better to do it now before a Trump appointee possibly gets placed in the FMCS, per my previous post. That's when things will definitely not go well.

 

[Ad1234]

My other career choice was law enforcement. Had a job offer for Arizona highway patrol. Turned it down because I thought ATC was better for my family. Irony is this job ruined my family. And I kinda lost my family. Got divorced. CBP is the closer thing to that and that I’d like. I’m too invested in FERS and my TSP to just leave.

while im empathetic for your family situation, being stuck in Gila Bend living in a DPS trailer, a $400 water bill, shooting at snakes on duty and the chupacabra to save your life, patrolling an area the size of Connecticut with no union, no contract, making $55K and contributing 10 percent to your retirement and crappy health insurance dont even rate compared to our quality of life. not sorry, you shouldnt regret that decision unless your old lady said you should stay in AZ and you didnt.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

Sucks that “mediation” is even a part of it. It will delay this contract and eventually ours, by at least 6 months. If both sides are this dug in no mediator is going to fix it.

 

[LennyA21]

Why are we worried about pay? Nick said day one we would be getting pay MOUs pumping out.

 

[32andBelow]

Sucks that “mediation” is even a part of it. It will delay this contract and eventually ours, by at least 6 months. If both sides are this dug in no mediator is going to fix it.

It’s 3 mediators that decide and it’s final

 

[SquawkHijack]

It’s 3 mediators that decide and it’s final

This is after impasse and everything else correct?

I’m honestly not super well versed in arbitration and negotiation.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

It’s 3 mediators that decide and it’s final

Three arbitrations, mediation is a step before that there a nice guy with a beard sits down and tries to get the sides to “collaborate” on the issues they say they are at inpass on.

 

[GulfCharlie]

What’s PASS got to do with it

If PASS and NATCA (my sources) are going to mediation due to pay disagreements it doesn’t bode well for our contract.

 

[Nothanks]

If PASS and NATCA (my sources) are going to mediation due to pay disagreements it doesn’t bode well for our contract.

The FAA hasn’t agreed to any pay raises, at least for atc for over 25 years. They aren’t going to start now. They all go to mediation/arbitration, no matter who’s been in the White House.

This is just a fact, I’m not drawing any conclusions.

If we get stuck with union busting EO’s. I’m not hopeful the FAA will all of the sudden be grateful for us.

 

[GulfCharlie]

The FAA hasn’t agreed to any pay raises, at least for atc for over 25 years. They aren’t going to start now. They all go to mediation/arbitration, no matter who’s been in the White House.

This is just a fact, I’m not drawing any conclusions.

If we get stuck with union busting EO’s. I’m not hopeful the FAA will all of the sudden be grateful for us.

Not disagreeing but people are curious and using it as a bellwether. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

 

[Phillytroll69]

The FAA hasn’t agreed to any pay raises, at least for atc for over 25 years. They aren’t going to start now. They all go to mediation/arbitration, no matter who’s been in the White House.

This is just a fact, I’m not drawing any conclusions.

If we get stuck with union busting EO’s. I’m not hopeful the FAA will all of the sudden be grateful for us.

What happened in 1998, 2004, and 2011 all ish

 

[Nothanks]

What happened in 1998, 2004, and 2011 all ish

What are you asking or saying here ?

1998 green book time ? Yea they spent like 5 years getting us on the AT pay scale. Over 25 years ago

2004?…

2011?… red book? Went to Arbitration over pay.