Will NATCA and the FAA extend the contract?

[Bandit117]

Did we ever answer if the contract is being extended?

There’s only a handful of people who are deep enoguh in-the-know to be able to answer that, and I doubt any of them are posting here. We can speculate. It’s fun. What will really happen is being decided behind the closed doors of the NEB and presumably in consultation with various attorneys and LR type people. What will happen is anyone’s guess.

My guess is natca is prepping for both scenarios. An extention would be deeply unpopular but if trump puts his EOs back in place they wouldn’t feel they have much choice. He’s not the president yet and he’s famously unpredictable so who knows exactly what stance the admin will take. I have to imagine they will wait and see, while preparing options to either negotiate and extend.

If the EOs go back, I’d bet on an extension, if they don’t, even if the admin is adversarial, there a lot of people that are sick of the status quo and the leadership ignores them at their own peril.

I feel that natca expects to be given a contract. They have not shown any balls to be willing to go out and actually fight for one.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

Did we ever answer if the contract is being extended?

I don’t think it can be and I don’t think the FAA would agree to it if it could. Santa told the FAA an extension is off the table, he might have saved us even in his career death.

I can’t imagine Daniles running to the FAA and begging for an extension now. I don’t think Trump will crush the union, but if the FAA believes he will, they won’t extend to protect NATCA, they will let that play out.

And if they do offer to extend, they will think they are doing Daniles and NATCA a favor, and not do it without concessions.

No realistic scenario where extending is smart. This has been the case for 6 years, and the previous fucks did it once already anyway.

 

[DOD4Life]

Oh yeah, because it was so violent compared to every major city in the U.S. rioting over a fentanyl addict who was attempting to use counterfeit currency.

There goes that typical bullshit whataboutism. There were NOT riots in “every major city.” That’s simply a lie. The protests occurred because a racist cop killed a man in broad daylight, on video, in front of numerous bystanders pleading for the cop to stop torturing and killing the man. That now former cop was convicted by a jury and now resides in prison.

That bears no likeness to a defeated president directing his cult to overturn a free and fair election via violence and completely reject the will of the American people.

 

[Raise when?]

Fuck extending

 

[Mr.Tickles]

There goes that typical bullshit whataboutism. There were NOT riots in “every major city.” That’s simply a lie. The protests occurred because a racist cop killed a man in broad daylight, on video, in front of numerous bystanders pleading for the cop to stop torturing and killing the man. That now former cop was convicted by a jury and now resides in prison.

That bears no likeness to a defeated president directing his cult to overturn a free and fair election via violence and completely reject the will of the American people.

Could you give an example of a major US city that didn’t have a riot going on?

 

[Soul_Controller]

Could you give an example of a major US city that didn’t have a riot going on?

Honolulu

 

[DOD4Life]

Could you give an example of a major US city that didn’t have a riot going on?

I won’t as I am not the one who made the ridiculous claim. That is not how debates work. The burden is on the individual making the outlandish claim to prove said claim.

 

[SquawkHijack]

There goes that typical bullshit whataboutism. There were NOT riots in “every major city.” That’s simply a lie. The protests occurred because a racist cop killed a man in broad daylight, on video, in front of numerous bystanders pleading for the cop to stop torturing and killing the man. That now former cop was convicted by a jury and now resides in prison.

That bears no likeness to a defeated president directing his cult to overturn a free and fair election via violence and completely reject the will of the American people.

Protests lmao gtfoh bro. I love how you just think your little narrative can gaslight anybody into thinking everything they saw on the news the summer of 2020 was just not real. People were killed, buildings and cars were burned and stores were looted all over the nation. You can try to spin it any way you want. You don’t remember the police all standing down in from all the violence in Atlanta? You don’t remember the CHAZ/CHOP takeover in Seattle? You don’t remember the nationwide movement to defund the police? Sounds like you’re trying to chalk up absolute malice to a “whataboutism” to me.

 

[DOD4Life]

Protests lmao gtfoh bro. I love how you just think your little narrative can gaslight anybody into thinking everything they saw on the news the summer of 2020 was just not real. People were killed, buildings and cars were burned and stores were looted all over the nation. You can try to spin it any way you want. You don’t remember the police all standing down in Atlanta? You don’t remember the CHAZ/CHOP takeover in Seattle? You don’t remember the nationwide movement to defund the police? Sounds like you’re trying to chalk up absolute malice to a “whataboutism” to me.

The discussion was about the felon directing a violent coup attempt and his cult supporting it. Introducing non-pertinent topics rather than addressing the actual issue is precisely the definition of whataboutism. Nothing that occurred in the summer of 2020 has any relevant bearing on the felon’s actions and his cult’s support for those actions.

 

[Mr.Tickles]

I won’t as I am not the one who made the ridiculous claim. That is not how debates work. The burden is on the individual making the outlandish claim to prove said claim.

You made the claim that it was a lie suggesting you knew of major cities that did not have riots. So I’m curious which major cities didn’t have riots? Honolulu was mentioned. Do you have any others that didn’t have riots?

I’m legitimately wondering as from what I can remember almost every large city had them.

Honolulu

That’s right. I forgot about there.

 

[DOD4Life]

You made the claim that it was a lie suggesting you knew of major cities that did not have riots. So I’m curious which major cities didn’t have riots? Honolulu was mentioned. Do you have any others that didn’t have riots?

I’m legitimately wondering as from what I can remember almost every large city had them.


That’s right. I forgot about there.

Well, you are already arguing down from the original claim. The original claim was “every major city” as in no exceptions. Now, you’ve argued the claim down to “almost every large city.” Amazing how that works. Maybe you’ll eventually discover the truth, but it’s not my job to spoon feed adult humans.

 

[GulfCharlie]

So anyways… extending?

 

[Mr.Tickles]

Well, you are already arguing down from the original claim. The original claim was “every major city” as in no exceptions. Now, you’ve argued the claim down to “almost every large city.” Amazing how that works. Maybe you’ll eventually discover the truth, but it’s not my job to spoon feed adult humans.

So you have no examples of your own. Got it.

 

[DOD4Life]

So you have no examples of your own. Got it.

Because I don’t play the silly games of MAGA dipshits, which inevitably go like this:

Normal person: Joe Biden won the 2020 election.

MAGA Dipshit: It was rigged and stollen (yes, that’s how the poorly-educated spell “stolen”).

Normal person: That’s not true. The election was not stolen. It was a free and fair election.

MAGA Dipshit: Yeah, well PROVE it wasn’t rigged and stollen, you libtard.

 

[32andBelow]

My favorite part is all the project 2025 people getting appointed. 😄

 

[Mr.Tickles]

Because I don’t play the silly games of MAGA dipshits, which inevitably go like this:

Normal person: Joe Biden won the 2020 election.

MAGA Dipshit: It was rigged and stollen (yes, that’s how the poorly-educated spell “stolen”).

Normal person: That’s not true. The election was not stolen. It was a free and fair election.

MAGA Dipshit: Yeah, well PROVE it wasn’t rigged and stollen, you libtard.

Well jokes on you, Ive never voted for Trump and I don’t think the election was stolen in 2020. So stop deflecting.

So again, do you have any examples in the contiguous US of no riots in any major cities during 2020? I actually would like to know if there are any.

 

[DOD4Life]

Well jokes on you, Ive never voted for Trump and I don’t think the election was stolen in 2020. So stop deflecting.

So again, do you have any examples in the contiguous US of no riots in any major cities during 2020? I actually would like to know if there are any.

Do your own goddamn research. As I said, I don’t spoon feed adults. Get back to us when you complete your assignment.

 

[Mr.Tickles]

Do your own goddamn research. As I said, I don’t spoon feed adults. Get back to us when you complete your assignment.

I see it was too much for you to have an adult conversation. My mistake.

 

[ATCJoe85]

Well jokes on you, Ive never voted for Trump and I don’t think the election was stolen in 2020. So stop deflecting.

So again, do you have any examples in the contiguous US of no riots in any major cities during 2020? I actually would like to know if there are any.

You may not be MAGA stupid, but you are still using a logical fallacy.

Burden of proof falls on the person who makes the claim.

Illustration...
Prosecutor: your honor, the defendant raped the victim.
Defense: that's a lie

... the judge does not then say it's the defense making *the claim* that it's a lie, and that they need to prove otherwise. Rather *the claim* is still that the defendant raped the victim.

 

[Mr.Tickles]

You may not be MAGA stupid, but you are still using a logical fallacy.

I actually want to know if any major cities didn’t have riots in the continental US. That’s it. I didn’t make any claims one way or the other. So how’s that a logic fallacy?