Santa & Whitaker are negotiating a green Chri$tmas!

[ATC Zero]

I'll say it again, I swear we worked together.

Maybe if you’re stuck at a low level facility?

 

[CoffeeIV]

Who prefers mids? I’d take straight swings all day over mids

Guessing you don't have kids and relatively young considering all the bitching you did about your training being held up due to COVID. Swings are terrible for family life. At least with mids I see my kids in the afternoon.

 

[32andBelow]

Guessing you don't have kids and relatively young considering all the bitching you did about your training being held up due to COVID. Swings are terrible for family life. At least with mids I see my kids in the afternoon.

When I work a mid I feel like I can feel my heart beating cus I am so tired sometimes

 

[ATC123]

I’m all for the movement for sure but I feel people don’t quite understand how underpaid we are. Sure we can play apples to oranges on how we are over paid compared to some but especially now we are under the spot light and being criticized sometimes fairly sometimes harshly. Once we are painted more negative than positive no one will want to do the job. Or at least imo.

Given the skills and extensive training required of this job, few recognize how underpaid we are, and how much more our counterparts (pilots, among others) are making. I'd be curious to see a poll on what most think a 2 years FO at Delta/United/American is making, similarly what a 20+ year captain on a widebody there is making?

 

[ChuckNovember]

Basic pay is defined as without locality and base is with locality. Idk why that says basic because your locality does count for high 3

Pretty sure you have it flipped. Basic is base + locality.

 

[Move78]

Pretty sure you have it flipped. Basic is base + locality.

Look up your last TOL if you have one

 

[bomber996]

Before I get to my question let me emphatically say that I think we deserve both of these. I'm just interested in what people would want to see first.

Would you rather;

1. Substantial pay raise

2. Better work rules. No OT, better staffing, etc.

Genuinely interested.

 

[AnyTrafficPleaseAdvise]

Before I get to my question let me emphatically say that I think we deserve both of these. I'm just interested in what people would want to see first.

Would you rather;

1. Substantial pay raise

2. Better work rules. No OT, better staffing, etc.

Genuinely interested.

If the FAA could eliminate OT and improve staffing at the drop of a hat I’d choose that. However, that won’t happen for the foreseeable future, so I’ll take number 1

 

[CinderBlock]

Before I get to my question let me emphatically say that I think we deserve both of these. I'm just interested in what people would want to see first.

Would you rather;

1. Substantial pay raise

2. Better work rules. No OT, better staffing, etc.

Genuinely interested.

Rent/childcare/groceries/insurance all went up 30ish percent in the past 2 years in my area. Pay all fucking day.

 

[FightingIrish2012]

IT seems negotiations are becoming more tight lipped, but was able to glean one little golden nugget from the Green Chri$tmas talks:

New proposal being discussed is Mid-shift premium pay. 25% differential for shifts designated as mids!

Watch them do this but only this and call it done lol. Like the 20% OJTI pay.

Before I get to my question let me emphatically say that I think we deserve both of these. I'm just interested in what people would want to see first.

Would you rather;

1. Substantial pay raise

2. Better work rules. No OT, better staffing, etc.

Genuinely interested.

Pay raise. And I know you offered this up as a purely hypothetical, but when I look at it rationally there is a 0% chance the same idiots who broke the system can ever produce better work rules, no OT, staffing, etc.... so that even further pushes me toward major pay raise as the only realistic way to improve quality of life.

 

[dingalings99]

Before I get to my question let me emphatically say that I think we deserve both of these. I'm just interested in what people would want to see first.

Would you rather;

1. Substantial pay raise

2. Better work rules. No OT, better staffing, etc.

Genuinely interested.

Pay

Pay brings more staffing which means less OT

 

[CoffeeIV]

Id choose same pay for a 32hr work week.

 

[Periculant]

Before I get to my question let me emphatically say that I think we deserve both of these. I'm just interested in what people would want to see first.

Would you rather;

1. Substantial pay raise

2. Better work rules. No OT, better staffing, etc.

Genuinely interested.

I would take pay…

They dangle better staffing as a way to eliminate OT. It’s BS… they have been dangling that carrot for decades now…

Write an MOU that makes it unlawful to assign OT or make OT like 500% pay and I’ll buy into the idea the agency isn’t going to assign OT. Otherwise F U pay me.

 

[ChuckNovember]

Look up your last TOL if you have one

Yea you have it flipped. Basic pay includes locality. Base does not

 

[Move78]

Yea you have it flipped. Basic pay includes locality. Base does not

Did you look at your TOL. You have it flipped

 

[ChuckNovember]

Did you look at your TOL. You have it flipped

Tentative Offer Letter? you mean my LES? No I looked at the OPM website. Basic is Base + Locality

 

[Move78]

Tentative Offer Letter? you mean my LES? No I looked at the OPM website. Basic is Base + Locality

Yes I know what you posted earlier. I’m saying check your last TOL or FOL. Basic is no locality. Base is basic + locality.
Also to confuse matters further your SF50 will display basic as no locality and basic + locality as adjusted basic.

 

[Top5fatcat]

do u feel it...

THE DAM IS BREAKING!

brace.

 

[Periculant]

Yea you have it flipped. Basic pay includes locality. Base does not

Article 108 Section 2 (Slate book)

 

[ChuckNovember]

Yes I know what you posted earlier. I’m saying check your last TOL or FOL. Basic is no locality. Base is basic + locality.
Also to confuse matters further your SF50 will display basic as no locality and basic + locality as adjusted basic.

Article 108 Section 2 (Slate book)

Ah I think the confusion here is that the terms are flipped for DOD pay and obviously (per the slate book) basic for us includes locality.

DOD Basic pay