2025 Federal Pay Raise

[Gauff]

If we're getting into the terminology weeds, everyone is a "bargaining unit employee." Some BUEs pay dues to the union and therefore they are union members. Some BUEs do not pay dues and therefore they are non-members.

The way I understood it was it is dues paying vs non dues paying and everyone is a member or BUE as everyone is still represented by NATCA regardless. But you may be correct

 

[Soul_Controller]

The way I understood it was it is dues paying vs non dues paying and everyone is a member or BUE as everyone is still represented by NATCA regardless. But you may be correct

BUM = bargaining unit member. NATCA dues payer i.e. member of NATCA.
BUE = bargaining unit employee. Someone employed in a position that NATCA is the bargaining entity for. May or may not be a member of NATCA.

 

[4Miles]

BUM = bargaining unit member. NATCA dues payer i.e. member of NATCA.
BUE = bargaining unit employee. Someone employed in a position that NATCA is the bargaining entity for. May or may not be a member of NATCA.

Paying dues when represented regardless??? What a bunch of BUMs.

 

[Phanatical]

Paying dues when represented regardless??? What a bunch of BUMs.

Typical scab.

 

[Logical_Mongoose]

Crashing planes and cashing checks, baby!

 

[Wizard]

Don't worry we are getting 2% next year. Thanks Santa Cucks

 

[n0vemberh0tel]

Crashing planes and cashing checks, baby!

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25% over four years.

Go look at the Reddit Boeing forums, the membership isn't going to vote yes on that, its getting torn apart on the forums. Very well could see a strike start as early as Friday.

 

[Whiskey Charlie]

25% over four years.

Go look at the Reddit Boeing forums, the membership isn't going to vote yes on that, its getting torn apart on the forums. Very well could see a strike start as early as Friday.

What else are they looking for?

 

[Raise when?]

Crashing planes and cashing checks, baby!

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Can’t blame workers for terrible management

 

[cmac]

Crashing planes and cashing checks, baby!

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You realize this is just like us complaining about our pay with all the deals and incursions there are.... Neither one is right. The Boeing factory workers have almost nothing to do with their issues.

 

[Redacted]

You realize this is just like us complaining about our pay with all the deals and incursions there are.... Neither one is right. The Boeing factory workers have almost nothing to do with their issues.

There’s a definite difference though.

We are dealing with things that result from being understaffed and overworked, which’s stems from being a growingly less desirable form of employment.

I don’t really get a say how many planes get shoved into my airspace; they choose whether something unsafe rolls off the assembly line.

 

[Logical_Mongoose]

You realize this is just like us complaining about our pay with all the deals and incursions there are.... Neither one is right. The Boeing factory workers have almost nothing to do with their issues.

Can’t blame workers for terrible management

Was aiming for comedic hyperbole. Clearly I stuck the landing.

There’s a definite difference though.

We are dealing with things that result from being understaffed and overworked, which’s stems from being a growingly less desirable form of employment.

I don’t really get a say how many planes get shoved into my airspace; they choose whether something unsafe rolls off the assembly line.

Reports/leaks have shown the assembly line worker warned the chain of command what was being produced was unsafe. There's undercover video out there of employees saying they wouldn't want to fly in the planes they were building. 😳

25% over four years.

Go look at the Reddit Boeing forums, the membership isn't going to vote yes on that, its getting torn apart on the forums. Very well could see a strike start as early as Friday.

What else are they looking for?

https://www.iam751.org/2024Proposal/SummaryMachinistsReachHistoricTentativeAgreement.pdf

While the baseline raises are less than the 40% average the aviation sector has seen over the last few years, it looks like they got a lot of decent longevity stuff. I can understand their frustration/anger at nothing meaningful for several years with only a headline of a general 25% raise for the life on the contract.

25% raises over the 4 year contract (11% in 2025, 4% in 2026, 4% in 2027, and 6% in 2028).
$3k ratification bonus.
Increase in shift differential pay and creation of new premium pay categories.
Increase to minimum pay rate.
Increased company retirement contribution (extra $4k year company contribution on top of 4% contribution with additional company matching employee contributions of up to 8% at 75%).
Lowered health care cost share cap (defacto raise if less of your paycheck is going to your insurance).
Career progression steps consolidated to only one.

Honestly, if I were in their shoes, I'd reject it and vote to strike. Boeing is so deep in the shitter right now with managerial incompetence that they can't afford a strike on top of it. They've been juicing their stock price with buybacks since the Max debacle started and every piece of bad news brings them closer to not being able to sustain their overinflated stock price. Them merely voting to strike could net them an immediate gain to those topline numbers that could be resolved pretty quickly. Potentially a real easy way to get 7% added to the raises and an extra $2k added to the ratification bonus.

 

[DhruvK]

I don’t really get a say how many planes get shoved into my airspace; they choose whether something unsafe rolls off the assembly line.

Stop taking handoffs when you hit a limit. We do it to ourselves by trying to play hero ball.

And yes, I’ve been shut off. It does happen, it does suck, but if it’s what the guy on the other side of the boundary needs to do to maintain a safe operation, so be it.

 

[inthrewtheoutdor]

Stop taking handoffs when you hit a limit. We do it to ourselves by trying to play hero ball.

And yes, I’ve been shut off. It does happen, it does suck, but if it’s what the guy on the other side of the boundary needs to do to maintain a safe operation, so be it.

Said it 100 times. If everyone down the line stops playing hero, and shuts the next guy off, as long as they're not playing hero, they can manage and shut it all down the line.

 

[GMX]

Stop taking handoffs when you hit a limit. We do it to ourselves by trying to play hero ball.

And yes, I’ve been shut off. It does happen, it does suck, but if it’s what the guy on the other side of the boundary needs to do to maintain a safe operation, so be it.

UNABLE.

 

[Redacted]

Stop taking handoffs when you hit a limit. We do it to ourselves by trying to play hero ball.

And yes, I’ve been shut off. It does happen, it does suck, but if it’s what the guy on the other side of the boundary needs to do to maintain a safe operation, so be it.

On weather nights, it doesn’t really matter if you take the handoff or not. They’re not stopping at your boundary, they’re not turning around, and all anyone (especially TMU) will ever get is a slap on the wrist.

 

[Raise when?]

On weather nights, it doesn’t really matter if you take the handoff or not. They’re not stopping at your boundary, they’re not turning around, and all anyone (especially TMU) will ever get is a slap on the wrist.

This isn’t true

 

[KP-ATC]

This isn’t true

Depends on the airspace you are talking about

 

[penaltyvectors]

On weather nights, it doesn’t really matter if you take the handoff or not. They’re not stopping at your boundary, they’re not turning around, and all anyone (especially TMU) will ever get is a slap on the wrist.

I refuse to believe there’s any facility in this country where a controller would blatantly let IFRs fly straight through someone else’s sector without any coordination. You are the final authority on who enters your airspace, and if you’re too busy to ensure separation it’s your obligation to stop traffic. And if management gives you a hard time, just key up the recorded line and announce that you’re working under Article 65.

 

[Expectvectors24]

I refuse to believe there’s any facility in this country where a controller would blatantly let IFRs fly straight through someone else’s sector without any coordination.

I guess you don’t work under ZTL airspace.