slater
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I'd agree.
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I.DO.VEHCTAHS
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Forget about staffing numbers in PHL…you only have a finite amount of CPC’s that can work the ewr area as it stands right now. If the faa wants to “flip the switch” on a certain date with ZERO ewr area CPCs at PHL already how does that work? The answer is…it doesn’t. You have 30 CPCs entitled to two weeks of COS. There are zero PHL controllers in a class right now never mind training on a radar position. This is another FAA pipe dream with no actual plan behind it. It sounds great when they say it…but the logistics make it impossible when you actually take a moment to think about it.
The MOU specifically stated that it would NOT be extended.
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Seems to me this whole fiasco would be made easier if the faa just put out a bid that was tdy to n90 for training/until they get the number of people needed to work the area from phl, once they have that the controllers start working in phl, along with any ewr area controllers who want to move. Thr n90 guys that don't want to move train thier replacements and move to a different area, ewr goes to phl and its done.
Just make the bid explicitly say "you are on the phl books, training at n90 till xxx date or yyy number of people are certifed, then you go to phl" Everything is voluntary as far as moves and work assignments outside of the ewr controllers retraining in a different area, but they don't have to leave thier established lives on LI even for a day, the training and move gets done, and no one is going to long Island with the expectation of staying there and getting established or having to get sucked into a move or tdy work they didn't volunteer for.
I dunno that seems like a solution that benefits the most people and accomplishes what they want with the least amount of pain and financial expenditures.
Just make the bid explicitly say "you are on the phl books, training at n90 till xxx date or yyy number of people are certifed, then you go to phl" Everything is voluntary as far as moves and work assignments outside of the ewr controllers retraining in a different area, but they don't have to leave thier established lives on LI even for a day, the training and move gets done, and no one is going to long Island with the expectation of staying there and getting established or having to get sucked into a move or tdy work they didn't volunteer for.
I dunno that seems like a solution that benefits the most people and accomplishes what they want with the least amount of pain and financial expenditures.
They could try. I’m not sure if they would get Enough volunteers, but they at least should have tried it first
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They already have a large list of Philly applicants they could run this by, and I have no doubts if they made it worth people's time (ie that sweet TDY pay) a good number would take a stab at it. I mean this thread is filled with people trying to get to Philly.
There's a ton of people stagnating in positions they want movement out of amd a 2-5 year stint on Long Island near one of the greatest cities on earth followed by a move to a more moderately priced, but still pretty cool city would strike a lot of younger controllers with the "secure the bag" mentality as a good option.
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Any news on if/when they’ll start selecting for the PHL CPC USAJobs bid?
Round of selections were made beginning of October. People have received TOLs and FOLs with start dates.
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How is PHL structured? Do you have to checkout both in the tower and radar? Or are there various lines like MIA? How does this change with EWR - is that basically going to it's own area? And does PHL get level 12 pay simply because EWR is now tacked on, despite current PHL controllers not having to do anything extra? Deetz plz
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They weren’t even running lvl 11 numbers before this.
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Their TCI is jumping by like 50 pts every month since they cutover the ops and that's with EWR slowed down to accommodate the lack of staffing. They will be a 12 when it's all said and done.
slater
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3 sides now. A, B & C.
A works tower & approach
B works only radar approach and departures
C works EWR but have thier own pool from PHL staffing & who volunteer and are designated based on seniority.
EWR numbers are added to traffic count and share the space since its under one roof like a Z to get 12 numbers which are forecast and counted since July and backpay tabulation since the cutover when it's official. This is estimated to take place between Thanksgiving & Christmas 2024.
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If you bid PHL for the foreseeable future you’re going to area c
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If you put in an application to PHL on usajobs, can you still get selected even if your current facility can't release to ncept?
Will you get moved to N90 if/when the EWR airspace move gets undone?
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That’s not happening but it’s cute that you think it is
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The time to stop this debacle from happening has come and gone! I don’t see this move getting reversed unless something really bad happens that can be directly attributed to the move.
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This is something I could actually see trump or Elon getting done by decree if it catches their attention
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The problem is neither one has the right expertise to understand what’s happening, or to have the foresight to rely on others advice to do it. Furthermore, they’re likely going to be very busy with other stuff and this will not likely catch their attention. Remember this move weakened the N90 local, and both of them are rabid anti union, so I doubt they’ll ever do anything that would be viewed favorably by the union.
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If the united ceo and some private jet guys call them they might. Prolly not. But who knows.
